Why I'm Supporting Mellow Mushroom in Avondale

[riverside planner]

Doug, Mellow Mushroom will be on tomorrow's Planning Commission meeting agenda, which begins at 1pm.  Agenda can be found here: http://www.coj.net/departments/planning-and-development/docs/current-planning-division/planning-commission-docs/2012-pc-agendas/2012-proposed-agenda/9-27-12---final-agenda.aspx

[Captain Zissou]

So is the meeting at 5 or 1?

[If_I_Loved_you]

Just a helpful reminder from those asps at We Love Avondale that tomorrow the planning commission is meeting on the subject of Mellow Mushrooms (three times altered to suit RAP) new development in Avondale.

wasp
"White anglo-saxon protestant. this usually refers to affluent people in the Avondale / Riverside area, but also whites of "old money" in other areas throughout the country."

[Pinky]

Just a helpful reminder from those asps at We Love Avondale that tomorrow the planning commission is meeting on the subject of Mellow Mushrooms (three times altered to suit RAP) new development in Avondale.

wasp
"White anglo-saxon protestant. this usually refers to affluent people in the Avondale / Riverside area, but also whites of "old money" in other areas throughout the country."

I think he meant "asps", a type of snake..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asp_(reptile)

Because of course we all know that Jacksonville is not run by the WASPS; down here it would be the MOB (Minority-Opposed Baptists) or in Avondale its CAMEs (Competition-Avoidant Merchant Episcopalians). 

[mtraininjax]

Stephen,

I took the signs from the Grace Baptist Chruch from their "public right of way" and placed them in Jim Love's yard. Seems only fitting after the rant that Littlepage had in the TU about illegal SNIPE SIGNS. (And everyone thinks I am with WLA, f'in idiots!)

All Mellow wants is the same treatment that other restaurants are getting on the strip.  However, unlike those other restaurants, Mellow is trying to make the neighborhood better by considering alternative parking methods, green space, adaptive reuse, and general concern for the neighborhood's problems.  I hope Thursday night goes well and that the community shows up in force to support Mellow.

CZ, this is complete and UTTER bullshit. You know it and I know it, what Mellow wants to build is something larger and grandeur than what Mojo's got away with. Mojo's took a furniture store and shoe store and turned it into a bar/restaurant. John wants to expand an existing restaurant/shoe store. You think people want to question his motives??

People, the signs up in Avondale are there from WLA and are illegal as hell. Take them and burn them, burn them all!

[thelakelander]

What's wrong with Mojo's building?  Did they construct something the code didn't allow?  The same goes for Mellow.  Is there some hidden law on the books that restricts a pizza restaurant from opening?  Does this regulation come with size requirements?  If not, what's the guy doing wrong?  It's not like he's trying to squeeze a Walmart in there.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Stephen,

I took the signs from the Grace Baptist Chruch from their "public right of way" and placed them in Jim Love's yard. Seems only fitting after the rant that Littlepage had in the TU about illegal SNIPE SIGNS. (And everyone thinks I am with WLA, f'in idiots!)

All Mellow wants is the same treatment that other restaurants are getting on the strip.  However, unlike those other restaurants, Mellow is trying to make the neighborhood better by considering alternative parking methods, green space, adaptive reuse, and general concern for the neighborhood's problems.  I hope Thursday night goes well and that the community shows up in force to support Mellow.

CZ, this is complete and UTTER bullshit. You know it and I know it, what Mellow wants to build is something larger and grandeur than what Mojo's got away with. Mojo's took a furniture store and shoe store and turned it into a bar/restaurant. John wants to expand an existing restaurant/shoe store. You think people want to question his motives??

People, the signs up in Avondale are there from WLA and are illegal as hell. Take them and burn them, burn them all!

Jack ok you may not be with we love Avondale group but you sure have a HUGE problem with Mellow Mushroom why is that? I think it's really funny that lakelander said "It's not like he's trying to squeeze a Walmart in there." Besides Jack the new restaurant Mellow Mushroom wants to build brings back the old look to Avondale.  In closing the attitude you have is why Jacksonville in general never really seems to move forward. 

[Timkin]

I just hate that the gas station now has to be demoed.   Id rather it had been altered to be a restaurant.  Now it has to go in a modern stucco wonder. 

Forgive me , but I am at a loss for why the Station MUST be demolished.  makes no sense whatsoever.

[Overstreet]

The last Mello Mushroom I visited was in Midtown Atlanta next to my mail box store.  It would have fit in that area  just fine.

[Pinky]

I just hate that the gas station now has to be demoed.   Id rather it had been altered to be a restaurant.  Now it has to go in a modern stucco wonder. 

Forgive me , but I am at a loss for why the Station MUST be demolished.  makes no sense whatsoever.

Agreed; it sucks.  The problem in a nutshell is that since it was built in '64 it's not a Contributing Structure by city standards and therefore wouldn't be eligible for the parking waiver.  There was a plan on the table that provided all but (I think) 3 of the required spots and kept the gas station intact, but WLA and RAP opposed it.

Crazy.

[strider]

Looking at a basic time line, sometime in the twenties, a brick 2 story building was built on this lot.  Then in the early fifties, that building was torn down for a simple gas station.  Then in the early sixties, that gas station was torn down for a fancy one.  Now, fifty odd years later, that gas station will be torn down to construct a building that sort of looks like the earlier twenties building.

I think there are several things wrong illustrated here.  The first is the failure to recognize that newer buildings can and often do have a significant historic value above just being an old building needing work anyway.  I think this will be seen more and more in the next few years. 

The second thing is that if we are going to lose a historically significant building for any reason, what is built in it's place should reflect current innovative design rather that try to simulate some older style.  Many other historic areas of the country have recognized this, perhaps someday we will too.

The last thing is that organizations like RAP should not have any say in the use as this gas station is coming down not because the owner of the property wanted it gone, but because RAP ( and others) got involved in things it should not be and is forcing an owner to do their bidding rather than what is actually best for the community.

[Captain Zissou]

All Mellow wants is the same treatment that other restaurants are getting on the strip.  However, unlike those other restaurants, Mellow is trying to make the neighborhood better by considering alternative parking methods, green space, adaptive reuse, and general concern for the neighborhood's problems.  I hope Thursday night goes well and that the community shows up in force to support Mellow.

CZ, this is complete and UTTER bullshit. You know it and I know it, what Mellow wants to build is something larger and grandeur than what Mojo's got away with. Mojo's took a furniture store and shoe store and turned it into a bar/restaurant. John wants to expand an existing restaurant/shoe store. You think people want to question his motives??

So you think it's not fair that they have a nice building?  Do you realize what country you live in?  If MM can afford to build it, they are allowed to build it.  The only limiting factor is that they need approval from the planning commission and the planning commission can't dictate how nice something can be.  Your poorly veiled attempts to malign MM in order to promote Blue Fish are obvious and pathetic.  If you want government dictated 'fairness', go to N Korea.  If Frank is jealous that MM will be newer and nicer than his place, tell him to pony up the cash.  John isn't getting a new restaurant for free; he is forking over tons of cash to make it happen.  Nobody is preventing Frank from doing the same, except for Frank.  I am amazed at how quickly you have eroded your credibility on this site in the last couple months.

[If_I_Loved_you]

All Mellow wants is the same treatment that other restaurants are getting on the strip.  However, unlike those other restaurants, Mellow is trying to make the neighborhood better by considering alternative parking methods, green space, adaptive reuse, and general concern for the neighborhood's problems.  I hope Thursday night goes well and that the community shows up in force to support Mellow.

CZ, this is complete and UTTER bullshit. You know it and I know it, what Mellow wants to build is something larger and grandeur than what Mojo's got away with. Mojo's took a furniture store and shoe store and turned it into a bar/restaurant. John wants to expand an existing restaurant/shoe store. You think people want to question his motives??

People, the signs up in Avondale are there from WLA and are illegal as hell. Take them and burn them, burn them all!

Stephen,

I took the signs from the Grace Baptist Chruch from their "public right of way" and placed them in Jim Love's yard. Seems only fitting after the rant that Littlepage had in the TU about illegal SNIPE SIGNS. (And everyone thinks I am with WLA, f'in idiots!)

All Mellow wants is the same treatment that other restaurants are getting on the strip.  However, unlike those other restaurants, Mellow is trying to make the neighborhood better by considering alternative parking methods, green space, adaptive reuse, and general concern for the neighborhood's problems.  I hope Thursday night goes well and that the community shows up in force to support Mellow.

CZ, this is complete and UTTER bullshit. You know it and I know it, what Mellow wants to build is something larger and grandeur than what Mojo's got away with. Mojo's took a furniture store and shoe store and turned it into a bar/restaurant. John wants to expand an existing restaurant/shoe store. You think people want to question his motives??

So you think it's not fair that they have a nice building?  Do you realize what country you live in?  If MM can afford to build it, they are allowed to build it.  The only limiting factor is that they need approval from the planning commission and the planning commission can't dictate how nice something can be.  Your poorly veiled attempts to malign MM in order to promote Blue Fish are obvious and pathetic.  If you want government dictated 'fairness', go to N Korea.  If Frank is jealous that MM will be newer and nicer than his place, tell him to pony up the cash.  John isn't getting a new restaurant for free; he is forking over tons of cash to make it happen.  Nobody is preventing Frank from doing the same, except for Frank.  I am amazed at how quickly you have eroded your credibility on this site in the last couple months.

I love want you have said and I feel you're right on the money! I hope the planning commission puts the last nail in the coffin and that Mellow Mushroom starts building ASAP!

[If_I_Loved_you]

Just a helpful reminder from those asps at We Love Avondale that tomorrow the planning commission is meeting on the subject of Mellow Mushrooms (three times altered to suit RAP) new development in Avondale.

wasp
"White anglo-saxon protestant. this usually refers to affluent people in the Avondale / Riverside area, but also whites of "old money" in other areas throughout the country."

I think he meant "asps", a type of snake..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asp_(reptile)

Because of course we all know that Jacksonville is not run by the WASPS; down here it would be the MOB (Minority-Opposed Baptists) or in Avondale its CAMEs (Competition-Avoidant Merchant Episcopalians).

Two great bumper stickers in the making "MOB (Minority-Opposed Baptists) or in Avondale its CAMEs (Competition-Avoidant Merchant Episcopalians)."

[Timkin]

I just hate that the gas station now has to be demoed.   Id rather it had been altered to be a restaurant.  Now it has to go in a modern stucco wonder. 

Forgive me , but I am at a loss for why the Station MUST be demolished.  makes no sense whatsoever.

Agreed; it sucks.  The problem in a nutshell is that since it was built in '64 it's not a Contributing Structure by city standards and therefore wouldn't be eligible for the parking waiver.  There was a plan on the table that provided all but (I think) 3 of the required spots and kept the gas station intact, but WLA and RAP opposed it.

Crazy.

It is bullshit that demo is being forced.