Large scale development and Riverside/Avondale

Started by Metro Jacksonville, September 18, 2012, 03:09:05 AM

acme54321

Quote from: cityimrov on September 18, 2012, 04:17:14 PM
So, how much longer until MM brings out the big lawyers to allow themselves to build this place?  Sort of like how Donald Trump always brings out his big lawyers to let him to build whenever and whatever he wants.

I wish they would have done it weeks ago!

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Duplicate post for a duplicate thread:

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 18, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
I'm really hoping the suits at Hooter's are paying attention - Monte's would make an awesome Hooter's.

Not that I even like the place, but I'd like to see WLA fight that one.
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If_I_Loved_you

I'm looking forward to the next Avondale Problem "West Inn Cantina" this would make a great Hooter's type restaurant don't you think?

Intuition Ale Works

#63
Tonight is the HPC meeting at the Ed Ball building. It is at 6pm and I hope the commission approves the design so Mellow Mushroom can maybe break ground by the end of the year.

All the supporters of the Avondale Mellow Mushroom project need to show up and speak. Posting on a forum will not beat the NIMBY's and anti-business zealots in the R/A. They are showing up in force to this meeting and next weeks Planning commission also.

They do not want a Mellow Mushroom in Avondale. Plain and simple.

"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind..."
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Captain Zissou

Thanks for fighting the good fight, Ben.  I can't make it tonight, but I will be there next week.

If_I_Loved_you

Quote from: Intuition Ale Works on September 19, 2012, 09:07:14 AM
Tonight is the HPC meeting at the Ed Ball building. It is at 6pm and I hope the commission approves the design so Mellow Mushroom can maybe break ground by the end of the year.

All the supporters of the Avondale Mellow Mushroom project need to show up and speak. Posting on a forum will not beat the NIMBY's and anti-business zealots in the R/A. They are showing up in force to this meeting and next weeks Planning commission also.

They do not want a Mellow Mushroom in Avondale. Plain and simple.
I can't go but for the ones that go thank you and good luck.

JaxHistory


Non-RedNeck Westsider

This is the HPC meeting, though, so what are the main topics going to be? 

I didn't think this is the meeting that will deal with the MM specific rules that WLA & RAP are trying to apply, ie:  no amplified music or TVs past 9:00pm.  -  Those are the issues that irk me the most, but I thought that they won't be discussed until the 27th.
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
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John P

In the meantime eat at Al's, pizza italian, carmines, peles, 5 star, moon river, chicago pizza. How will we do without?

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: John P on September 19, 2012, 12:21:50 PM
In the meantime eat at Al's, pizza italian, carmines, peles, 5 star, moon river, chicago pizza. How will we do without?

You're missing Pizza Hut, The Loop and Hungry Howies.  Oh yeah, you also seem to be missing the point.   ::)
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simms3

From an email I received today.

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4 MAJOR IMPACTS
OF NEW ZONING
________________________________________

Until last month, Philadelphia was a 21st-century city governed by a zoning code dating back to the 1930s. (There were major revisions in the '60s, but if you remember them, you weren't there.) It was a straightjacket. Now years of effort and argument have given the city a spanking-new code. Philadelphia deputy mayor for economic development Alan Greenberger told Bisnow what the new code will mean for Philly CRE.

1) SIMPLIFICATION
The new zoning code isn't as restrictively specific as the old one. For example, the old code specified the kinds of retail allowed in a particular place, meaning that when a new kind of retailerâ€"like personal computersâ€"wanted to open shop, it would have to go to the zoning board. (You were allowed to open an Apple Store, but only if you sold Granny Smith and Jonagolds.) All together, 410 use categories have been streamlined to 99.

2) CIVIC DESIGN REVIEW
Large projectsâ€"perhaps two dozen or so each year as defined by the new codeâ€"will undergo a new process called the Civic Design Review. Those are projects that need to be reviewed by a committee of the planning commission but also require community input. The new process will have deadlines for both the developers and community groups, so it doesn't drag out.

3) THE IMPORTANCE OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT
The new code will promote higher densities around transit, especially in the three major transit nodes downtown, though other areas might be added, Alan says. This acknowledges the importance of walkable neighborhoods in promoting business and real estate growth in Philadelphia’s urban core.

4) REMAPPING UNDER WAY
The new zoning code isn't a remapping of the city, according to Alan. That's a separate process that's already started, in which the city has been divided into 18 planning districts. These will determine which land users are obsolete and make recommendations for zoning changes.
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riverside planner

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 19, 2012, 12:06:18 PM
This is the HPC meeting, though, so what are the main topics going to be? 

I didn't think this is the meeting that will deal with the MM specific rules that WLA & RAP are trying to apply, ie:  no amplified music or TVs past 9:00pm.  -  Those are the issues that irk me the most, but I thought that they won't be discussed until the 27th.

The topics at JHPC will be the physical elements of the building.  The zoning-related issues will be handled at the Planning Commission on the 27th.

John P

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 19, 2012, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: John P on September 19, 2012, 12:21:50 PM
In the meantime eat at Al's, pizza italian, carmines, peles, 5 star, moon river, chicago pizza. How will we do without?

You're missing Pizza Hut, The Loop and Hungry Howies.  Oh yeah, you also seem to be missing the point.   ::)

If mellow mushroom did not build there something else would. That is what WLA thinks at least and they hope it would be smaller. Wait a year and they could move into Brooklyn.

thelakelander

Didn't Mellow already purchase the property?  I really don't see WLA being able to stop them from opening there.  They have a legal right to as long as what they are proposing meets the city's requirements and zoning regulations. 
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Cheshire Cat

#74
Quote from: stephendare on September 18, 2012, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: KEGreene1 on September 18, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
That is my point.  Just because you read about it and you make/change your opinion about it, doesn't mean you have done anything about it.  You have 900 views on this thread today, but how many of them will pick up the phone or write an email or show up at a meeting to voice their opinion (I've written numerous emails; as all the meetings seem to be scheduled while I'm working elsewhere).  This isn't something you go to the polls and vote on anonymously, this is an issue that if you feel one way or the other (and judging by 900+ views quite a few of you have an opinion) you need to voice that opinion with your City Councilman or go to one of the two upcoming meetings that are scheduled.

The actual numbers of people reading the comments are pretty wildly understated as most people view the forum through 'recent comments' which doesnt click as a hit on the forum----since the comments are all just listed on the feed. http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?action=recent

Quote from: stephendare on September 18, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
As I thought, there are several thousand views from facebook alone.  http://www.facebook.com/MetroJacksonville

Stephen,  Glad you posted this info.  I had been wondering what the readership here might be.  I have another question I am hoping you can answer.  Like many forums Metro Jacksonville has some talented and outspoken posters who comment quite regularly on content and most of them seem to be male.  What is your guess as to the number of female members as opposed to male? 

For instance, when I made this post, these were the forum members online.  Wacca Pilatka, JeffreyS, thelakelander, strider, Ralph W, Pottsburg, ChriswUfGator, MissMinda, TheCat, bobsim, duvaldude08, If_I_Loved_you, Pinky, alta, funwithteeth, cityimrov, Jax_Spartan, acme54321, Tacachale, JasonBrantley, Rynjny, ben says, stephendare, Fallen Buckeye, Brian Siebenschuh, Keith-N-Jax, Ocklawaha, reednavy, duvalbill, comncense, CityLife, chipwich, Intuition Ale Works, Jimmy, mtraininjax, JHAT76, Overstreet, Adam W, Mathew1056
Most Online Today: 436. Most Online Ever: 1277 (February 21, 2012, 06:13:35 PM)

Thanks,

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