Riot In Riverside! July 4th 2008! riot brings mayhem.

[thebrokenforum]

Look at global warming, for example.

Or religion.

[Driven1]

so - did the "riots" really happen?  is Nessie still alive over in Scotland? 

questions we may never know the answer to.

[RiversideGator]

Whatever agenda is being pursued by all of this 'thought police' chatter, Im sure its as much of a yawn as the idea that 'nothing happened"

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

And I mean to ask this question divorced of the backdrop of the Five Points riot.

Its especially ironic because the kids in Five Points have had the same problem themselves.

Yes.  Loitering is still a crime.  You cannot just hang out just because you want to.  You have to have some legitimate purpose.

[RiversideGator]

Downtown Dweller.

In 1992, when we were pioneering Five Points as an alternative district, the locals felt the same way about the Alternative Kids.

Here is where Stephen attempts to take credit for the revitalization of Five Points.

Led by a local Republican Lesbian by the name of Flo Hyman (try that name on for size)  After all the shops were closed, they repeatedly tried to clear the streets of any and all 'punks'.

Some of those 'punks' are presently running our libraries, churches, schools, and most of the local shops in all three historic areas.

None of us needed to be 'cleared' from the streets.

This isnt really a police matter.  I think its been so long since Fitzhugh Powell and the old boys shut down the downtown out of fear and disgust of those communist hippies called Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Molly Hatchet back in the late 70s and early 80s, that we have never fully regained our trust of streets filled with people.

I think crowds are looked on as a danger, in general, and I also think that it has hurt our city.

And, here is where he blames various nefarious right wingers for killing this era of free love.   

[Downtown Dweller]

Its a cliche to remind that we are all a little bit racist, sometimes.

That is a fact of life.

But it doesnt mean that we shouldnt try NOT to be, or that we shouldnt learn to have better instincts.

If we are serious about creating a great city, a great nightlife is part of that.

We will never have street life and out door performers and bustling thoroughfares of the type we all talk about in the pictures of other cities if we continue to fear crowds.

In fact its the opposite that is true.  The more people there are on a street, the safer it usually is.

And how are we ever going to get to that place if we are all condoning the arbitrary clearing of crowds from whole neighborhoods?

I agree, BUT it appears from posters here, and the police reports this crowd was not just hanging out enjoying the nightlife, they were fistfighting, racially profiling and threatening, shooting off firearms. There is a big difference between street performances and this chaos.

[Driven1]

Its a cliche to remind that we are all a little bit racist, sometimes.

Does that mean you're bigoted to the vagrants? 

Probably, yes.

OK - so here we finally have it.  In one thread - on one page even - you admit that you are:
1) a racist
2) a bigot

wow.

are you sure you're not a closet Republican? 

[RiversideGator]

Look at global warming, for example.

Or religion.

Religion is being pushed by the media?  Quite the opposite.  The media is actively hostile to mainstream religion (although it does celebrate religions which are not the mainstream in the US).

[RiversideGator]

Is this about your favorite fixation and object of erotic fantasy---me. 

That is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.   

[Driven1]

Is this about your favorite fixation and object of erotic fantasy---me. 

That is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.  

oh yeah...lol - i forgot one thing...anyone who strongly disagrees with him is secretly & passionately obsessed with him!

[Eazy E]

Religion is being pushed by the media?  Quite the opposite.  The media is actively hostile to mainstream religion (although it does celebrate religions which are not the mainstream in the US).

Sometimes, RG, I am convinced you are a hilarious, subversive comedian.
How else to explain this and your global warming quotes?
As a Christian myself, I am sick of how what should be a private personal relationship with Christ is pimped out for money and fame at every chance people get.  
Really? Hostile to religion? That is pure and simple BS, just as is your quote on how "the media created global warming"!!!!
Right, because global warming is so in line with corporate media values and is so good for their bottom line, right? Maybe you'd like to go tell the people dying from massive famine and draught how you don't believe in what's happening to them.

[thelakelander]

Can we stick to the general topic at hand?  The rest of the personal bickering back and forth needs to go.

[Driven1]

so - did the "riots" really happen?  is Nessie still alive over in Scotland? 

questions we may never know the answer to.

[Eazy E]

Can we stick to the general topic at hand?  The rest of the personal bickering back and forth needs to go.

Fair enough, but if you don't challenge and call out BS when you see it or hear it, that is how it becomes "facts".

[thelakelander]

Fair enough, but if you don't challenge and call out BS when you see it or hear it, that is how it becomes "facts".

Its all opinions, in my book, unless there's some factural stone cold data (like police logs) presented to back it up.  Anyway, there's nothing wrong with challenging and debating as long as things don't fall into trading personal insults between each other.

[Driven1]

Can we stick to the general topic at hand?  The rest of the personal bickering back and forth needs to go.

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Fair enough, but if you don't challenge and call out BS when you see it or hear it, that is how it becomes "facts".

Easy, I tend to think that the helicopter is going to have footage.

it is my opinion that if there were footage (like from said heli), it would've been released by now.