Saying good bye to old courthouse

[tufsu1]

^ ah but here's the catch pinky...Ock is counting the additional folks that just pass through the stations....meaning they are on trains from say Miami to DC and pass through JAX....the problem is they rarely, if ever, get off the train

airports count passengers enplaning and deplaning...so even if you're just going through say Atlanta, you get counted...and I think you even get counted if you remain on the same plane and never get off

[fsujax]

Also that number would be increased if the Sunset Limited were restored and the Palmetto extended to Jacksonville.

[BackinJax05]

^^ Yes. If only ...

[Pinky]

^ ah but here's the catch pinky...Ock is counting the additional folks that just pass through the stations....meaning they are on trains from say Miami to DC and pass through JAX....the problem is they rarely, if ever, get off the train

airports count passengers enplaning and deplaning...so even if you're just going through say Atlanta, you get counted...and I think you even get counted if you remain on the same plane and never get off

Im glad you pointed that out; it really provides a neat contrast to the 8 million folks a year that fly in and out of JIA, the vast percentage of whom are not connecting to other flights.  (Since JIA isn't a hub.).

So... 8,000,000 vs 74,000.  Again, nobody rides trains.

[Pinky]

I'm not advocating more empty space, I'm advocating a riverfront chain of parks.  East Bay is dying, and as a resident of East Bay I think that a park would do more to help our neighborhood (and all of downtown) than more empty, obsolete buildings.

Me thinkith that you have tipped your hand.

They're obsolete.  That's why we spent 150 bazillion dollars building new ones.  And as far as waiting for someone to come in and throw away huge sums of money to try to re-purpose them, it just isn't happening.  1/3 of the annex has NO WINDOWS.  Do you want to live there?  The courthouse doesn't even function as a courthouse, much less anything else.  Both buildings are literally falling apart. 

But I'm glad you've brought this up, so that I may rant for a few minutes..  There is a real tendancy among a number of posters here to ignore simple economic reality, and propose "solutions" that simply do not fly in the real world.  Say we had a herd of swine nobody wanted.  Economic reality says they're bacon.  But without a doubt, *some* folks here would go on endlessly that all "someone" needed to do is retrofit them with wings and they'd make for an excellent package delivery service.  There would be endless pontificating about how clever and trainable pigs are, how their crap falling from the sky would be excellent fertilizer, and undoubtedly, some chucklehead would point out that if that became a problem, we could just build a trolley/streetcar/light rail that the pigs could ride instead.  Newsflash kids- Daddy Warbucks ain't coming to build SwinEx any sooner than "somebody" is gonna re-use the old courthouse.  (Nor, sadly, The Bostwick, or any of the other hundreds of crumbling buildings that litter our downtown.  It just doesn't make economic sense to do so.

BTW..  Funny how I predicted that this thread (like so many others) would be hijacked by the Rail Junkies. 

Can we get back to the Old Courthouse now please?

[Timkin]

Excuse US !!! .. 

[BackinJax05]

I'm not advocating more empty space, I'm advocating a riverfront chain of parks.  East Bay is dying, and as a resident of East Bay I think that a park would do more to help our neighborhood (and all of downtown) than more empty, obsolete buildings.

Me thinkith that you have tipped your hand.

They're obsolete.  That's why we spent 150 bazillion dollars building new ones.  And as far as waiting for someone to come in and throw away huge sums of money to try to re-purpose them, it just isn't happening.  1/3 of the annex has NO WINDOWS.  Do you want to live there?  The courthouse doesn't even function as a courthouse, much less anything else.  Both buildings are literally falling apart. 

But I'm glad you've brought this up, so that I may rant for a few minutes..  There is a real tendancy among a number of posters here to ignore simple economic reality, and propose "solutions" that simply do not fly in the real world.  Say we had a herd of swine nobody wanted.  Economic reality says they're bacon.  But without a doubt, *some* folks here would go on endlessly that all "someone" needed to do is retrofit them with wings and they'd make for an excellent package delivery service.  There would be endless pontificating about how clever and trainable pigs are, how their crap falling from the sky would be excellent fertilizer, and undoubtedly, some chucklehead would point out that if that became a problem, we could just build a trolley/streetcar/light rail that the pigs could ride instead.  Newsflash kids- Daddy Warbucks ain't coming to build SwinEx any sooner than "somebody" is gonna re-use the old courthouse.  (Nor, sadly, The Bostwick, or any of the other hundreds of crumbling buildings that litter our downtown.  It just doesn't make economic sense to do so.

BTW..  Funny how I predicted that this thread (like so many others) would be hijacked by the Rail Junkies. 

Can we get back to the Old Courthouse now please?

Why not build a track down the middle of Bay Street and convert the Old Courthouse into a train station