2012 NFL Draft

mtraininjax · April 30, 2012, 11:34:49 AM

QuoteNobody will ever say a team won a Super Bowl because of one guy. Even as good as Eli Manning was last year, the Giants aren't winning the Super Bowl without Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Osi. It's a team game.

But the simple fact that Eli Manning won games for them, is enough for me. Manning had time to throw, and he had weapons. Sure the weapons helped him, but he had time to complete passes, and he is an accomplished QB in a great system, so anyone new they throw in there for him to receive, should do fine. Two Super Bowls to his name, I'd say he gets more credit than the PUNTER. Rodgers winning games for the Packers, Favre before him, Brees for the Saints, it all comes down to the play of the QB. You don't hear games where the Punter won the game for the team.

It was a dumb pick when there are other areas that were weaknesses last year, and god forbid we have injuries, will be problems again this year.

Not even Josh Scobee was a 3rd round pick, he was a 5th round selection, and he is really darn good!

Non-RedNeck Westsider · April 30, 2012, 11:39:58 AM

Fine. Let's criticise the pick to death. Let's string up Gene based on his punter pick. The fans are always right.

Jesus.

IF..... IF the guy ends up being a perennial probowler and performs his job at a high level, will you still blast the pick? Probably.

Kool Aid tastes better than Hater-Aid.

I-10east · April 30, 2012, 11:55:28 AM

People will totally forget about the third round choice when Blaine is throwing TDs to Blackmon this year; This is another case of the 'right now' society that we live in. If it's any consolidation to the ones that what Gene out, NFL Network's Rich Eisen said that "Anger isn't just a punter, he's a weapon!" LOL. If yall don't like the pick, voice your 'anger' at the Jags game by purchasing the Anger jersey. You can believe that people are gonna buy that jersey just for the name alone. I guess that this is 'sorta' a win-win for all of the Jag fans.

mtraininjax · April 30, 2012, 11:55:46 AM

QuoteIF..... IF the guy ends up being a perennial probowler and performs his job at a high level, will you still blast the pick? Probably.

God I hope so. We have not had a draft pick go to the Pro Bowl since MJD and Mercedes Lewis from our 2006 draft. So either we are drafting zeros or they have not succeeded enough to make into an elite status. So been a few drafts since we had a Pro Bowl talent.

Not Hate-Aid, probably Anger-Aid.

So the numbers dudes, riddle me this, Look at the drafts over the last few years, in 2012 - we take 5 Defensive players and 1 offensive, 2011 - we took 3 offensive and 2 defensive players, then in 2010 - we took 5 defensive and 1 offensive. The offensive player, Karim was waived recently, so 13 defensive players to go with 3 offensive.

We may just get the number 1 D in the NFL by the time Smith ends up spending all of Khan's money. I know we gave up a pick to get Blackmon, but we have only had 17 picks in 3 years. Hard to build teams around new talent with so few picks.

mtraininjax · April 30, 2012, 11:57:42 AM

QuoteNFL's Network's Rich Eisen said that "Anger isn't just a punter, he's a weapon!" LOL.

Like putting lipstick on a pig.

If they give a punter his own "fan" jersey, I think I may throw up on it.

JeffreyS · April 30, 2012, 12:08:54 PM

We use a forth rounder on Podlish it works out so we don't resign him. We sign Matt Turk a 137 year old booming punter and try to make him a directional kicker. Cut him so we can waste a third round pick. Is next year the one where we make history with a first round punter. This is inexcusable, Gene was having a good Draft if he had sent up Zebrie Sanders OT name to the stadium it would be Gene Smith party day.

Unless Anger is all pro for many years this is a wasted pick. Even if he works out it is a bad pick.

copperfiend · April 30, 2012, 12:20:26 PM

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 30, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
QuoteNobody will ever say a team won a Super Bowl because of one guy. Even as good as Eli Manning was last year, the Giants aren't winning the Super Bowl without Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Osi. It's a team game.

But the simple fact that Eli Manning won games for them, is enough for me. Manning had time to throw, and he had weapons. Sure the weapons helped him, but he had time to complete passes, and he is an accomplished QB in a great system, so anyone new they throw in there for him to receive, should do fine. Two Super Bowls to his name, I'd say he gets more credit than the PUNTER. Rodgers winning games for the Packers, Favre before him, Brees for the Saints, it all comes down to the play of the QB. You don't hear games where the Punter won the game for the team.

It was a dumb pick when there are other areas that were weaknesses last year, and god forbid we have injuries, will be problems again this year.

Not even Josh Scobee was a 3rd round pick, he was a 5th round selection, and he is really darn good!

What's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?

Non-RedNeck Westsider · April 30, 2012, 01:20:47 PM

Quote from: copperfiend on April 30, 2012, 12:20:26 PM

What's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?

This brings up a good diversion from the punter issue we seem to be having this morning. Sure. It's a strange pick that goes against the grain of everything, but it also solidifies Gene's BAP philosophy. If he didn't have him at the top of the board, he wouldn't have drafted him.

About quarterbacks - Washington Redskins moved up to be able to draft RG3 with the 2nd pick in the draft. Why did they select Cousins in round 4? Two QB's in the draft with 2.5 already on the roster?

Let's quit bashing the Jags and start bashing the Redskins front office for a bit.

copperfiend · April 30, 2012, 01:24:11 PM

I honestly don't even have an issue with the Cousins pick. In 1995, Coughlin drafted Rob Johnson after trading two picks to get Mark Brunell. He turned that into a first rounder a few years later. Not saying Cousins will be worth that but sometimes it is worth the risk.

mtraininjax · April 30, 2012, 01:29:51 PM

QuoteWhat's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?

Why would I bash the Redskins? I don't have season tickets to the 'skins, and literally no skin in the game with them. A terrible waste of oxygen.

I think Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Favre, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees all speak for themselves. The league has become a QB league. Look at what MJD did last year, lead the NFL in rushing and the Jags were still 5-11. To win, you have to pass, and when you score, you really don't have much need for a 3rd round punter.

Did the Jags send a message that they don't plan to score as much with a great punter? Mixed signals here.

Non-RedNeck Westsider · April 30, 2012, 01:35:45 PM

It's tough to pass the ball when you're pinned inside your 10 yard line.

Non-RedNeck Westsider · April 30, 2012, 01:40:10 PM

You wanted depth - here you go:

LSU defensive end Kendrick Adams
UTEP running back Joe Banyard
Northern Colorado tackle Lee Barbiasz
UTEP cornerback Antwon Blake
Virginia Tech receiver Jarrett Boykin
Ohio State center Mike Brewster
Bethune-Cookman defensive end Ryan Davis
Langston cornerback Antonio Dennard
Florida A&M receiver Kevin Elliott
Texas State guard D.J. Hall
Murray State cornerback Dontrel Johnson
Western Michigan defensive tackle Drew Nowak
UCLA receiver Nelson Rosario
Cincinnati linebacker J.K. Schaffer
Wagner linebacker Julian Stanford
Memphis defensive end Frank Trotter
North Dakota tight end Matt Veldman.

tufsu1 · April 30, 2012, 01:47:05 PM

Quote from: JeffreyS on April 30, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
We use a forth rounder on Podlish it works out so we don't resign him.

Podlesh worked out really well.....so well that the Jags didn't get much of a chance to resign him as Chicago threw some major cash his way.

mtraininjax · April 30, 2012, 02:04:33 PM

QuotePodlesh worked out really well.....so well that the Jags didn't get much of a chance to resign him as Chicago threw some major cash his way.

Adam Podlesh was a great asset to the team, we only used a 4th round pick with him, but that year we had 11 total picks in the 2007 draft. He had We could have paid him more, probably would have, if Khan had been there, as he was a great fit with Scobee. It would have been easier to pay the man, than to use a pick in the 2012 draft and one of our 6 total draft picks.

Then I see this on the NFL network and I think I just threw up in my mouth:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c29ee/article/jaguars-gm-thinks-team-will-be-a-playoff-contender?module=HP11_headline_stack

From NFL.COM

QuoteThis is a quarterback league, however, and we simply don't believe in Jacksonville's quarterback position. Gabbert has to be a lot better for the Jaguars to contend.

copperfiend · April 30, 2012, 02:12:09 PM

Gabbert has to be a lot better for the Jaguars to contend? That's really going out on a limb.