New restaurant zoning tiff emerging around Riverside's King Street

[Captain Zissou]

That's the bock where Kickbacks owners Ed Salem and Stephen Flores want to build a new restaurant/bar next to their current business, an idea that upset neighbors who say they're tired of strangers parking in their yards and driveways and partying loud.

In their yards and driveways??  Seriously?  I find this to be a bit of an exaggeration. This whole thing is crazy.

So... So far Intuition, Loft, Kickbacks, Dahlia's and Alpha Dog have all had issues. Has any new business not had issues??

[Tacachale]

I have much respect for RAP, but I can't see why they keep inserting themselves into these arguments over parking. Like the Kickbacks situation, it's abundantly clear their opposition has nothing to do with historic preservation or even safety - it's all about parking. There are better ways of dealing with that than artificially restricting businesses and keeping buildings shuttered.

[ChriswUfGator]

Two thoughts:

(1) Another opprotunity to push for better public transit. The more "battles" over parking the obvious it becomes.

(2) If they don't want ya, come over to SPR.  Plenty of room, similar (but less) residents w/ similar tastes. Heck, we'll sweep the floors every night for you.

Unless its a;

Car wash

Convenience store

Short-term rental

Grocery store

Gas station

Sober house

(All of which we have in Riveeside)

And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Nice to see you coming around on all of this, we told you for years.

[MusicMan]

Quote: "It's an eyesore, currently."  If you are talking about 2695 Post (fromer print shop soon to be Dahlia's Pourhouse" I could not DISAGREE with you more.

That is IMO a very attractive original building almost entirely intact from it's initial contruction. Beautiful windows
and nice tile plus cool cast concrete trim pieces along the top.

Eyesores would be Burger King and Panda House IMO.

How many times must this parking issue be revisited? Every time I go up and down King Street on a busy night there are always empty street spots plus the entire empty parking lot at First Guaranty. Has RAP actually ever gone out there on a busy night to witness the parking "issue?" What they will see a is a vibrant neighborhood that draws folks in to spend some money and have a good time!!!! PLUS empty street parking. What is needed is one cop on a scooter ticketing all the folks parking in front of driveways and on lawns. A couple tickets and those folks will start parking further up on King, or they will find a spot that is allowable and walk to their favorite establishment.

[mtraininjax]

I live right down the street on Post from this place and I am happy to see it come in. If these fights continue, businesses are just going to quit coming in and the area is going to go stagnant and potentially fall back to what it was.

All right, settle down Pilgrims. Look at Rap as Barney Fife with one bullet. They make a fuss, raise some cain, but at the end of the day, they are limited at what they can do, the Sheriff being COJ, and they make recommendations. Its Planning and Development who you should be more concerned with in the long run. RAP will probably not get the Yellow House on King Street, just costs too much, even though the price keeps coming down, so they are focused on fixing their old house behind Riverside Baptist Church. They have plenty on their plate. But they need to appear strong in case they need to use that one bullet.

There is too much money on the strip of King Street and St. Johns Avenue (Avondale) for these places to go away, the new ones that is, and the Burger King and Chinese dumps, probably the gas station too, will all go away as the area gets more and more valuable. If you live there, the land is only going to become more valuable.

[DDC]

That's the bock where Kickbacks owners Ed Salem and Stephen Flores want to build a new restaurant/bar next to their current business, an idea that upset neighbors who say they're tired of strangers parking in their yards and driveways and partying loud.

In their yards and driveways??  Seriously?  I find this to be a bit of an exaggeration. This whole thing is crazy.

So... So far Intuition, Loft, Kickbacks, Dahlia's and Alpha Dog have all had issues. Has any new business not had issues??

I, as the good Captain has stated, also find this to be somewhat exaggerated. Can any residents please tell me if you have had anyone parking in your driveway or yards? Now on the street in front of a house I am sure is the case. But that is where they are supposed to be. And seems if you did have a problem with people parking ON your property it would be easily remedied. It is called a tow truck.

I live in Springfield across from a very popular city park that is used almost every weekend for family cook outs and after church dinners. There are times I have to park down the street from my house. But that is part of living in a historic district.

Being a life long resident of Jacksonville, I remember what the King Street district and the surounding neighborhood used to be like. If business owners continue to have these types of hurdles to jump over and under to open a business, they will quit looking at this area and as someone said earlier, I fear the area will revert back to what it was in "the good old days".

[tufsu1]

I wonder what type of exception and waiver are they going after?

Agreed.  They are not modifying the building or adding anything new.  They will not be required to add additional parking.  I'm wondering what they need the exception for.  Seems pretty straight forward to me.  It appears that it is part of the commercial district.

from what I hear from the owners, for some odd reason, their property is not in the commercial overlay

[thelakelander]

^The property appraiser's site shows it zoned as CCG-1.

[civil42806]

Two thoughts:

(1) Another opprotunity to push for better public transit. The more "battles" over parking the obvious it becomes.

(2) If they don't want ya, come over to SPR.  Plenty of room, similar (but less) residents w/ similar tastes. Heck, we'll sweep the floors every night for you.

Unless its a;

Car wash

Convenience store

Short-term rental

Grocery store

Gas station

Sober house

(All of which we have in Riveeside)

And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Nice to see you coming around on all of this, we told you for years.

Love that but you forgot the warehouse, they werent going to save the windows

[tufsu1]

^The property appraiser's site shows it zoned as CCG-1.

just going with what I was told by the owner regarding the overlay

[Know Growth]

Steve Patterson must be doing side duty.Filling in.

when do we see a Lake FTU Beltway Boondoggle piece???

[thelakelander]

^We've had several.  Here are a few links:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-the-outer-beltway-what-is-it-good-for

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-feb-first-coast-outer-beltway-should-it-be-built

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-feb-outer-beltway-dead-now-what

[Know Growth]

^We've had several.  Here are a few links:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-the-outer-beltway-what-is-it-good-for

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-feb-first-coast-outer-beltway-should-it-be-built

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-feb-outer-beltway-dead-now-what

Of course. My comments ( North Miami ) sprinkled.Some specific Official Record Book and page references.

MJ is a dandy spectator

Now looking for sole FTU column inches..
the FTU has a lot of catching up to do. So does MJ in the spirit of  coverage- Brannon Chaffee Sector Plan,Lake Abury Sector Plan ( 1 and 2 )
All the news that was not with FTU

Although I would apologize for swerving off thread,in fact this discourse may be right down the centerline.

[thelakelander]

^Feel free to submit an article for publishing on MJ.  You are just as much a member of the MJ community as anyone posting here.