Is Riverside/Avondale Ready For Mellow Mushroom?

[Tonyinchicago]

And what of the next large addition to the area?  Do I have a solution for that? No. One does not exist.  We will protect our interests in that area.  Sorry if it displeases.

[thelakelander]

Was there once a moratorium in place or was the market not to the point where projects popping up today made fiscal sense? 

What in the previous zoning code regulated seat size or the presence of restaurants in the commercial district?  Also, didn't the community work closely with the city in developing the overlay that exists today?

[thelakelander]

And what of the next large addition to the area?  Do I have a solution for that? No. One does not exist.  We will protect our interests in that area.  Sorry if it displeases.

What large addition?  Aren't we still waiting for the first?  I was under the impression that existing commercial buildings were being reused.  Are you advocating for the shell station to remain vacant and the two selling property owners to not make good on their investment and move on?

[thelakelander]

Also, I don't have a problem with you or anyone "protecting" the area.   However, I fail to see how MM  going into existing buildings, one of which predates most of the residences in the area, endangers the surrounding community.

[Tonyinchicago]

Was there once a moratorium in place or was the market not to the point where projects popping up today made fiscal sense? 

What in the previous zoning code regulated seat size or the presence of restaurants in the commercial district?  Also, didn't the community work closely with the city in developing the overlay that exists today?

Absolutely not, check with the residents, merchants, property owners.  They will tell you they were unaware of any change to the overlay.   

[Tonyinchicago]

Also, I don't have a problem with you or anyone "protecting" the area.   However, I fail to see how MM  going into existing buildings, one of which predates most of the residences in the area, endangers the surrounding community.

Because they are proposing putting 110 in the gas station.

[thelakelander]

Was there once a moratorium in place or was the market not to the point where projects popping up today made fiscal sense? 

What in the previous zoning code regulated seat size or the presence of restaurants in the commercial district?  Also, didn't the community work closely with the city in developing the overlay that exists today?

Absolutely not, check with the residents, merchants, property owners.  They will tell you they were unaware of any change to the overlay.   

RAP wasn't aware of the changes?

[thelakelander]

Also, I don't have a problem with you or anyone "protecting" the area.   However, I fail to see how MM  going into existing buildings, one of which predates most of the residences in the area, endangers the surrounding community.

Because they are proposing putting 110 in the gas station.

What is the proper number of seats that you would like to see?

[Tonyinchicago]

And how many people standing in a bar are actually seated?  So the actually tally on cars will be much higher than the seating plan reflects.   There was a 125 seat beer garden that filed for application across the street in the clock shop that has just been withdrawn and put on hold pending the outcome of MM.  And what of Monty's for sale?  What will go there?  Chili's?  Cheesecake factory?  We are talking about seating.  We are talking about a realistic solution.  After all, you cant park on a cloud.   

[thelakelander]

You obviously are not a fan of restaurants opening in the area.  I was just trying to figure out if you were basing that opinion on statistical data or not.  So if it safe to assume, the solution you envision is more about capping the number of restaurants/seats that can open than parking?

[thelakelander]

Btw, I can't wait to see what goes into Monty's.  That's a nice corner lot.

[Tonyinchicago]

You obviously are not a fan of restaurants opening in the area.  I was just trying to figure out if you were basing that opinion on statistical data or not.  So if it safe to assume, the solution you envision is more about capping the number of restaurants/seats that can open than parking?

Correct, by maintaining the overlay that was in place for decades.   As to future additions, the is NO solution.

[Tonyinchicago]

And how many people standing in a bar are actually seated?  So the actually tally on cars will be much higher than the seating plan reflects.   There was a 125 seat beer garden that filed for application across the street in the clock shop that has just been withdrawn and put on hold pending the outcome of MM.  And what of Monty's for sale?  What will go there?  Chili's?  Cheesecake factory?  We are talking about seating.  We are talking about a realistic solution.  After all, you cant park on a cloud.

Meh.  It won't even come close to the amount of traffic that was just around the corner when Docksides, Campus Corner,  grenamyersand the underground were all simultaneously open in the area back in 90.

Grenamyer's had more than enough parking to accommodate all their guests and more.  There was more than enough parking with Travis center p lot and the side streets for Eclipse.  Whats your point?

[thelakelander]

Understood.  Your view is different from RAP's, who was instrumental in getting the current Overlay put together and approved.

[Tonyinchicago]

Understood.  Your view is different from RAP's, who was instrumental in getting the current Overlay put together and approved.

Do your research, RAP is opposed to any restaurant going from 87 seats to 250 seats even with the current overlay.   I cannot speak to how they influenced the overlay change prior to this time.