7-Eleven Celebration @ Landing

[acme54321]

http://jaxdailyrecord.com/downtowntoday.php?dt_date=2012-03-22

Does anyone know how Sleiman comes into the picture here?  Is he going to be building the new stores in suburbia?

[thelakelander]

Here's your answer:

Spokeswoman Margaret Chabris with 7-Eleven said the company is working on five properties with Sleiman, who develops sites around the area.

DePinto thanked the City for waiving the mobility fee on development. City Ordinance 2011-617-E waives mobility fees, which were created to help manage development in Jacksonville, for 12 months to help stimulate business and building activity in the area. It was enacted Oct. 10.

“We waived the fees for developers for one year so that it will allow us to focus on jumpstarting our economy and helping builders by attracting industry here. I want to compete with other counties, and so having a moratorium for one year is a good thing for our city,” said Brown.

Give me a break.  Come on Mayor Brown, I know you're smarter than this.  Don't hang your constituents (somebody has to pay eventually) out to dry like that.  7-Eleven slapping up 80 stores by 2015 in Jacksonville had nothing to do with the moratorium.  They have +40,000 stores in 16 countries and are opening new locations up worldwide at a rate of a store every two hours.   If they're popping them up on every street corner in cities like San Francisco, LA, NYC, London, etc., don't believe for one minute that a cheap impact fee (assuming they would even have to pay one) would keep them from expanding in a second tier city like Jacksonville.  Looking at the participants (Rick Scott, Mike Weinstein, and Toney Sleiman) and knowing their views on impact fees my guess is the guy was fed a whole bunch of BS during his short visit.

Read your own local media.   The mobility plan/fee wasn't approved until September 2011 and the moratorium vote happened in October 2011.  We've been talking about 7-Eleven coming back to Jax months before that on this site.  Anyone with a little knowledge of development knows investments like this don't go from start to finish in less than six months.

July 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,12721.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-jul-is-avondale-ready-for-a-7-eleven

http://jacksonville.com/business/2011-07-25/story/7-eleven-considers-development-avondale


September 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-7-eleven-can-convenience-and-aesthetics-co-exist

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-2030-mobility-plan-the-cutting-edge-of-planning


October 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-oct-city-council-prepares-to-halt-mobility-fee

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/print-edition/2011/10/21/mobility-fee-moratorium-may-jumpstart.html?page=all

http://www.facebook.com/events/283560434998544/

[cline]

Here's your answer:

Spokeswoman Margaret Chabris with 7-Eleven said the company is working on five properties with Sleiman, who develops sites around the area.

DePinto thanked the City for waiving the mobility fee on development. City Ordinance 2011-617-E waives mobility fees, which were created to help manage development in Jacksonville, for 12 months to help stimulate business and building activity in the area. It was enacted Oct. 10.

“We waived the fees for developers for one year so that it will allow us to focus on jumpstarting our economy and helping builders by attracting industry here. I want to compete with other counties, and so having a moratorium for one year is a good thing for our city,” said Brown.

Give me a break.  Come on Mayor Brown, I know you're smarter than this.  Don't hang your constituents (somebody has to pay eventually) out to dry like that.  7-Eleven slapping up 80 stores by 2015 in Jacksonville had nothing to do with the moratorium.  They have +40,000 stores in 16 countries and are opening new locations up worldwide at a rate of a store every two hours.   If they're popping them up on every street corner is cities like San Francisco, LA, NYC, London, etc., don't believe for one minute that a cheap impact fee (assuming they would even half to pay one) would keep them from expanding in a second tier city like Jacksonville.  Looking at the participants (Rick Scott, Mike Weinstein, and Toney Sleiman) and knowing their views on impact fees my guess is the guy was fed a whole bunch of BS during his short visit.

Read your own local media.   The mobility plan/fee wasn't approved until September 2011 and the moratorium vote happened in October 2011.  We've been talking about 7-Eleven coming back to Jax months before that on this site.  Anyone with a little knowledge of development knows investments like this don't go from start to finish in less than six months.

July 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,12721.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-jul-is-avondale-ready-for-a-7-eleven

http://jacksonville.com/business/2011-07-25/story/7-eleven-considers-development-avondale


September 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-7-eleven-can-convenience-and-aesthetics-co-exist

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-sep-2030-mobility-plan-the-cutting-edge-of-planning


October 2011

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-oct-city-council-prepares-to-halt-mobility-fee

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/print-edition/2011/10/21/mobility-fee-moratorium-may-jumpstart.html?page=all

http://www.facebook.com/events/283560434998544/

Sad.  A total bullshit line.  You're right.  That was totally fed to her by one of those guys.  Unfortunately, now the Council will point to this as a reason to never bring the fee back.  Not that it was every coming back anyways.  Sickening really.

[thelakelander]

Something will be eventually coming since remaining status quo doesn't pay for itself.  Either the public will have to pony up the cash to sustain the ponzi scheme land development pattern, more QOL budget cuts will come, or COJ will go bankrupt.  In any event, the John Q. Public is left without a chair when the music stops.

[fieldafm]

Anyone with a little knowledge of development knows investments like this don't go from start to finish in less than six months.

I said it at the time, and will continue to say it till I'm blue in the face:

All of the major projects breaking ground now were in the pipeline way before the moratorium was even discussed.

Interestingly enough, several projects that have or will about to break ground were already grandfathered in under seperate concurrency/redevelopment agreements.

When all of the construction permits have been issued, I'll post about what was in development before the moratorium(that were going to built regardless) and how much money you, the taxpaying public will now have to place on your back b/c of the scheme to waive this USER FEE. 


If you really read b/w the lines, you'll see most of the first rollouts of 7-11 storefronts wouldn't have even been charged a Mobility fee to begin with. 

[fsujax]

I wanted to puke when I read that in the Daily Record today. He is so hell bent on this no tax, no fee crap he will say anything to make it seem that by relaxing these fees it is creating all this new development. Sad. Sleiman is feeding him this mess and the people he surrounds himself with will not fact check I guess.

[mtraininjax]

Give me a break.  Come on Mayor Brown, I know you're smarter than this.  Don't hang your constituents (somebody has to pay eventually) out to dry like that.

Who's with me....all together now....I'm With Alvin

Anything for a photo-op. Mr. Mayor, how about fixing the warped boards on the Southbank River Walk? How about fixing downtown instead of promoting 7-11 as your new JOBS program.

[John P]

I have two thoughts. 1. Replacing a good cafe with a 7-11 convenience store isnt going to help Hemming park at all. 2. Instead of throwing money at  a 100 million dollar plan like the Laura street trio why not throw a few million to the Library project and few to other smaller projects that arent as hard to do. I think the mayor wants his grand prize.

[thelakelander]

1. If it does happen, 7-Eleven will help in that it will be open 7 days a week.  That park needs all the adjacent land uses being open 7 days a week for extended hours.  Plus, this particular issue is a private sector market driven one as opposed to others where the city sticks its hands in the cookie jar.

2. I don't think the city will be throwing anything close to $100 million into the Trio.  Most of that project will be privately financed.  Plus, from a preservation standpoint, the Trio is easily the most significant site in downtown.

[Jaxson]

Give me a break.  Come on Mayor Brown, I know you're smarter than this.  Don't hang your constituents (somebody has to pay eventually) out to dry like that.

Who's with me....all together now....I'm With Alvin

Anything for a photo-op. Mr. Mayor, how about fixing the warped boards on the Southbank River Walk? How about fixing downtown instead of promoting 7-11 as your new JOBS program.

I do not see anything inherently wrong with 7-Eleven and its potential to create jobs in Jacksonville.  It is a internationally-known business with global reach.  Your comment seems to somehow belittle this impact simply because of the nature of 7-Eleven and its business.  Yes, it makes for a cheap laugh whenever we think of an Apu-like person hawking beef jerky and slushies at the public, but 7-Eleven is a serious enterprise that goes way beyond the snide comments about how it deserves to be taken less seriously. 

[comncense]

Maybe off topic a bit, but does anyone have any idea if the 7-Eleven downtown will be open 24 hours? I mean, aren't most 7-11's open 24 hours? I know downtown plays by a different set of rules though.

[Adam W]

7-Eleven policy requires stores to be open 24 hours a day. Franchises are allowed to be closed for a short period of time, I believe 24 hours on xmas day (from midnight to midnight).

That said, a store could have restricted hours if required by local laws.

[fsujax]

I noticed this morning construction fencing is up and a porta potty out at the new site located at State and Main St. They arent wasting anytime.

[mtraininjax]

I do not see anything inherently wrong with 7-Eleven and its potential to create jobs in Jacksonville.  It is a internationally-known business with global reach.  Your comment seems to somehow belittle this impact simply because of the nature of 7-Eleven and its business.  Yes, it makes for a cheap laugh whenever we think of an Apu-like person hawking beef jerky and slushies at the public, but 7-Eleven is a serious enterprise that goes way beyond the snide comments about how it deserves to be taken less seriously.

You are so right! I can see the masses coming to Jacksonville to become employed at the local 7/11 just so they can ask the customer on the other side of bullet proof glass, would you like to buy a lottery ticket today?

If they were to move the Corporate HQ here, that would be different, but what a great opportunity for the under educated who don't graduate from High School to know that they have a job waiting as a cashier at 7/11. Maybe we can add a few more pawn shops and payday loan shops while we're at it, or better yet, another dozen of the Sleiman strips to go with the other Sleiman strips around town.

[JeffreyS]

Two 24 hour stores in Downtown is something to take seriously. Think how much more livable it makes the area to be able to quickly get pepto for an upset stomach or Tylenol for fever that hits in the night.