The Jacksonville Jaguars

[urbanlibertarian]

Tebowing.

[blizz01]

Jags sign former 1st round pick (& 2x Superbowl starter) Aaron Ross (CB).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7712315/jacksonville-jaguars-aaron-ross-agree-3-year-153-million-deal-source-says

Jaguars an end away from stacked on D
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/35373/jaguars-an-end-away-from-stacked-on-d

[KenFSU]

Jags sign former 1st round pick (& 2x Superbowl starter) Aaron Ross (CB).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7712315/jacksonville-jaguars-aaron-ross-agree-3-year-153-million-deal-source-says

Jaguars an end away from stacked on D
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/35373/jaguars-an-end-away-from-stacked-on-d

Great signing.

Now if everyone can just stay healthy this season...

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Looks like Manning and the Broncos just made it official:

The Denver Broncos and Petyon Manning reached agreement on a five-year, $96 million contract on Tuesday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Manning will be introduced as the Broncos' new starting quarterback at a 3 p.m. ET news conference.

Will be very interesting to see what happens from here.

[duvaldude08]

So...Tebow should be our QB because he's nice to sick children?  So's Brad Meester. 

If the T-U and Jacksonville sports radio had not made it trendy to highlight everything magical about Tebow's life while virtually ignoring all the good the Jaguars do in the community, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Alternately...Tebow should be our QB because he's popular and "relevant"?

Why not just sign Lady Gaga to be QB, then?  We could wear avant-garde uniforms made of meat.  She probably throws a more accurate ball, too.

Compared to Gabbert, who is better? All I keep hearing is Gabbert will be good one day... ok. What is the difference? What if Gabbert is terrible again this year? How long do we give him? I would rather have Henne be our QB this year honestly. Tom Mcmanus this mornig said we should bring in  Tebow, not as the QB but as a playmaker. That is what New England would do with him and it would be stupid of us to not take that opportunity. He could be what we keep hoping for in Zach Miller. Tebow is as athletic if not more so than Zach. Why let another team do this with him and not take the oppurtunity now?

DD Tebow had a worse QB than Gabbert. He was at the bottom of all QB's in the leauge. Gabbert was second from the bottom. Im sure what youve been reading. Gabbys completion percentage was around 50% and Tebow was around 46%. To trade a bad QB for a wrose QB is just stupid.  On paper, Gabbert was better. IMO Gabbert is will be the better NFL style QB. He just needs to work on his pocket prescense. Thats it. Tebow on the other hand, Tebow has too many negatives. All he can do i run. He can barely complete a pass. If you want to know the truth, Denver made him look good. It wasnt the other way around.

[bill]

So...Tebow should be our QB because he's nice to sick children?  So's Brad Meester. 

If the T-U and Jacksonville sports radio had not made it trendy to highlight everything magical about Tebow's life while virtually ignoring all the good the Jaguars do in the community, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Alternately...Tebow should be our QB because he's popular and "relevant"?

Why not just sign Lady Gaga to be QB, then?  We could wear avant-garde uniforms made of meat.  She probably throws a more accurate ball, too.

Compared to Gabbert, who is better? All I keep hearing is Gabbert will be good one day... ok. What is the difference? What if Gabbert is terrible again this year? How long do we give him? I would rather have Henne be our QB this year honestly. Tom Mcmanus this mornig said we should bring in  Tebow, not as the QB but as a playmaker. That is what New England would do with him and it would be stupid of us to not take that opportunity. He could be what we keep hoping for in Zach Miller. Tebow is as athletic if not more so than Zach. Why let another team do this with him and not take the oppurtunity now?

Gabbert 50% completion rate versus 46% for Tebow. Who had better recievers and has been in the NFL longer?

[duvaldude08]

Good Read. This is what I have been screaming for the past two years.

Gene Frenette: Don't acquire Tim Tebow just to spur ticket sales


 
Submitted by Gene Frenette on March 19, 2012 - 10:46pm
Gene Frenette's Blog

After a decade of putting the Jaguars on the defensive with his brilliant quarterback play, Peyton Manning did it again Monday with his decision to join the Denver Broncos. He made Jacksonville’s favorite football son, Tim Tebow, available to his hometown franchise for the right trading price.

And so begins another round of debate from fans about whether general manager Gene Smith should pull the trigger to land a local hero.

Vote: Should the Jaguars look at Tim Tebow if the Broncos do try to trade him?

Despite owner Shahid Khan saying two months ago that he would have drafted Tebow, I don’t believe Smith wants to bring Tebow and the circus it’d create to town. That will irritate the Gators faction that longs for the quarterback who brought the University of Florida a football Camelot, but NFL executives don’t make personnel decisions by taking fan polls.

I’ve said and written before that you never bring any player, Tebow included, into your organization for the sole purpose of selling tickets. You draft, trade or sign players because you believe they give you a better chance to win, period.

Winning is the only proven long-term way to fill seats. Nobody knows if acquiring Tebow will provide just a temporary buzz, or one that is sustainable. But one thing is certain: The Jaguars are not in a position right now to completely dismiss his services if Denver would give Tebow up for, say, a fourth-round draft pick or lower.

The Jaguars have tied their future to top-10 draft pick Blaine Gabbert, and they just signed a formidable backup last week in Chad Henne. That might be enough to stabilize the position for years to come. But just as Tebow is a work in progress, so is this team’s No. 1, 2 and 3 (Dan LeFevour) quarterbacks on its depth chart.

Related: Peyton Manning's decision puts Tim Tebow in limbo

Tebow presents a unique dilemma for Smith and the Jaguars. Tebow is a beloved figure for his willingness to be a positive role model and touch the lives of those less fortunate, especially sick children. People, even some in the media, often can’t separate that admiration from football decisions. They become indignant over things like the Jaguars drafting Tyson Alualu, then a relatively unknown University of California defensive tackle, over a beloved Gator.

Now to be fair, there’s also a portion of the Jaguars’ fan base that is perfectly content with Tebow not being here because they’re not sold on his unconventional quarterbacking style. There’s no middle ground on Tebow. He evokes extreme opinions.

My feeling is Tebow will find a way to make himself a solid NFL quarterback, but it has to be the right situation with a coaching staff tailoring an offense to fit his skill set. Denver did that in 2011 with mixed results. Yes, the Broncos got to the playoffs with an 8-8 record and beat Pittsburgh, but executive John Elway obviously didn’t feel at ease with Tebow as his long-term quarterback.

I’m not convinced Tebow is the answer for the Jaguars. But at the right price, what’s the harm in allowing him to compete for a job, be it starter or backup? If Tebow can’t beat out Gabbert or Henne, you release him knowing it wasn’t a big investment.

But be clear about this: You don’t bring in Tebow to attract media attention or spur ticket sales. Make it only about football and winning, not because of some romanticized notion with the orange-and-blue portion of the fan base.

Tebow is an intriguing quarterback with an uncertain future. Smith decided last year to hitch his own future to Gabbert, and to upgrade the position by acquiring Henne over re-signing Luke McCown.

Smith won’t comment on Tebow because he’s the property of another team, which also provides a convenient out on a controversial topic.

Because the Jaguars and Smith already have a lot invested in Gabbert and Henne, it’s understandable why they’d be cautious about pursuing another quarterback.

But if Denver is willing to trade Tebow for a third-day draft pick, what have the Jaguars got to lose by bringing him home? Remember, they once gave up a king’s ransom for ex-Gator Derrick Harvey and received next to nothing in return.

To me, as far as a business decision, this would be a no brainer. If we do bring him in, he must be involved in the offense though. It won't work if we sit him on the bench as a third stringer. SO, if they do decide to bring him in, he must be involved in some fashion and he will bring in the ticket sales. Things would be different if we had an established offense already, but we don't, we had a QB that was dead last in everything last year. What have we got to loose?

Another losing season and a true Jaguar Fan base is what we have to lose.

[KenFSU]

Tim Tebow Hopes to Land in Florida:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827b9639/article/tim-tebow-reportedly-hopes-to-land-somewhere-in-florida?module=HP11_headline_stack

[Dapperdan]

Good Read. This is what I have been screaming for the past two years.

Gene Frenette: Don't acquire Tim Tebow just to spur ticket sales


 
Submitted by Gene Frenette on March 19, 2012 - 10:46pm
Gene Frenette's Blog

After a decade of putting the Jaguars on the defensive with his brilliant quarterback play, Peyton Manning did it again Monday with his decision to join the Denver Broncos. He made Jacksonville’s favorite football son, Tim Tebow, available to his hometown franchise for the right trading price.

And so begins another round of debate from fans about whether general manager Gene Smith should pull the trigger to land a local hero.

Vote: Should the Jaguars look at Tim Tebow if the Broncos do try to trade him?

Despite owner Shahid Khan saying two months ago that he would have drafted Tebow, I don’t believe Smith wants to bring Tebow and the circus it’d create to town. That will irritate the Gators faction that longs for the quarterback who brought the University of Florida a football Camelot, but NFL executives don’t make personnel decisions by taking fan polls.

I’ve said and written before that you never bring any player, Tebow included, into your organization for the sole purpose of selling tickets. You draft, trade or sign players because you believe they give you a better chance to win, period.

Winning is the only proven long-term way to fill seats. Nobody knows if acquiring Tebow will provide just a temporary buzz, or one that is sustainable. But one thing is certain: The Jaguars are not in a position right now to completely dismiss his services if Denver would give Tebow up for, say, a fourth-round draft pick or lower.

The Jaguars have tied their future to top-10 draft pick Blaine Gabbert, and they just signed a formidable backup last week in Chad Henne. That might be enough to stabilize the position for years to come. But just as Tebow is a work in progress, so is this team’s No. 1, 2 and 3 (Dan LeFevour) quarterbacks on its depth chart.

Related: Peyton Manning's decision puts Tim Tebow in limbo

Tebow presents a unique dilemma for Smith and the Jaguars. Tebow is a beloved figure for his willingness to be a positive role model and touch the lives of those less fortunate, especially sick children. People, even some in the media, often can’t separate that admiration from football decisions. They become indignant over things like the Jaguars drafting Tyson Alualu, then a relatively unknown University of California defensive tackle, over a beloved Gator.

Now to be fair, there’s also a portion of the Jaguars’ fan base that is perfectly content with Tebow not being here because they’re not sold on his unconventional quarterbacking style. There’s no middle ground on Tebow. He evokes extreme opinions.

My feeling is Tebow will find a way to make himself a solid NFL quarterback, but it has to be the right situation with a coaching staff tailoring an offense to fit his skill set. Denver did that in 2011 with mixed results. Yes, the Broncos got to the playoffs with an 8-8 record and beat Pittsburgh, but executive John Elway obviously didn’t feel at ease with Tebow as his long-term quarterback.

I’m not convinced Tebow is the answer for the Jaguars. But at the right price, what’s the harm in allowing him to compete for a job, be it starter or backup? If Tebow can’t beat out Gabbert or Henne, you release him knowing it wasn’t a big investment.

But be clear about this: You don’t bring in Tebow to attract media attention or spur ticket sales. Make it only about football and winning, not because of some romanticized notion with the orange-and-blue portion of the fan base.

Tebow is an intriguing quarterback with an uncertain future. Smith decided last year to hitch his own future to Gabbert, and to upgrade the position by acquiring Henne over re-signing Luke McCown.

Smith won’t comment on Tebow because he’s the property of another team, which also provides a convenient out on a controversial topic.

Because the Jaguars and Smith already have a lot invested in Gabbert and Henne, it’s understandable why they’d be cautious about pursuing another quarterback.

But if Denver is willing to trade Tebow for a third-day draft pick, what have the Jaguars got to lose by bringing him home? Remember, they once gave up a king’s ransom for ex-Gator Derrick Harvey and received next to nothing in return.

To me, as far as a business decision, this would be a no brainer. If we do bring him in, he must be involved in the offense though. It won't work if we sit him on the bench as a third stringer. SO, if they do decide to bring him in, he must be involved in some fashion and he will bring in the ticket sales. Things would be different if we had an established offense already, but we don't, we had a QB that was dead last in everything last year. What have we got to loose?

Another losing season and a true Jaguar Fan base is what we have to lose.

How would you loose the true fan base? I thought the true fan was there through thick and thin? If anyone cancels their season tickets based on this decision, then they are no better than the Tebow fan saying they will get tickets if he does come here. The true fan will stay no matter what.

[duvaldude08]

Good Read. This is what I have been screaming for the past two years.

Gene Frenette: Don't acquire Tim Tebow just to spur ticket sales


 
Submitted by Gene Frenette on March 19, 2012 - 10:46pm
Gene Frenette's Blog

After a decade of putting the Jaguars on the defensive with his brilliant quarterback play, Peyton Manning did it again Monday with his decision to join the Denver Broncos. He made Jacksonville’s favorite football son, Tim Tebow, available to his hometown franchise for the right trading price.

And so begins another round of debate from fans about whether general manager Gene Smith should pull the trigger to land a local hero.

Vote: Should the Jaguars look at Tim Tebow if the Broncos do try to trade him?

Despite owner Shahid Khan saying two months ago that he would have drafted Tebow, I don’t believe Smith wants to bring Tebow and the circus it’d create to town. That will irritate the Gators faction that longs for the quarterback who brought the University of Florida a football Camelot, but NFL executives don’t make personnel decisions by taking fan polls.

I’ve said and written before that you never bring any player, Tebow included, into your organization for the sole purpose of selling tickets. You draft, trade or sign players because you believe they give you a better chance to win, period.

Winning is the only proven long-term way to fill seats. Nobody knows if acquiring Tebow will provide just a temporary buzz, or one that is sustainable. But one thing is certain: The Jaguars are not in a position right now to completely dismiss his services if Denver would give Tebow up for, say, a fourth-round draft pick or lower.

The Jaguars have tied their future to top-10 draft pick Blaine Gabbert, and they just signed a formidable backup last week in Chad Henne. That might be enough to stabilize the position for years to come. But just as Tebow is a work in progress, so is this team’s No. 1, 2 and 3 (Dan LeFevour) quarterbacks on its depth chart.

Related: Peyton Manning's decision puts Tim Tebow in limbo

Tebow presents a unique dilemma for Smith and the Jaguars. Tebow is a beloved figure for his willingness to be a positive role model and touch the lives of those less fortunate, especially sick children. People, even some in the media, often can’t separate that admiration from football decisions. They become indignant over things like the Jaguars drafting Tyson Alualu, then a relatively unknown University of California defensive tackle, over a beloved Gator.

Now to be fair, there’s also a portion of the Jaguars’ fan base that is perfectly content with Tebow not being here because they’re not sold on his unconventional quarterbacking style. There’s no middle ground on Tebow. He evokes extreme opinions.

My feeling is Tebow will find a way to make himself a solid NFL quarterback, but it has to be the right situation with a coaching staff tailoring an offense to fit his skill set. Denver did that in 2011 with mixed results. Yes, the Broncos got to the playoffs with an 8-8 record and beat Pittsburgh, but executive John Elway obviously didn’t feel at ease with Tebow as his long-term quarterback.

I’m not convinced Tebow is the answer for the Jaguars. But at the right price, what’s the harm in allowing him to compete for a job, be it starter or backup? If Tebow can’t beat out Gabbert or Henne, you release him knowing it wasn’t a big investment.

But be clear about this: You don’t bring in Tebow to attract media attention or spur ticket sales. Make it only about football and winning, not because of some romanticized notion with the orange-and-blue portion of the fan base.

Tebow is an intriguing quarterback with an uncertain future. Smith decided last year to hitch his own future to Gabbert, and to upgrade the position by acquiring Henne over re-signing Luke McCown.

Smith won’t comment on Tebow because he’s the property of another team, which also provides a convenient out on a controversial topic.

Because the Jaguars and Smith already have a lot invested in Gabbert and Henne, it’s understandable why they’d be cautious about pursuing another quarterback.

But if Denver is willing to trade Tebow for a third-day draft pick, what have the Jaguars got to lose by bringing him home? Remember, they once gave up a king’s ransom for ex-Gator Derrick Harvey and received next to nothing in return.

To me, as far as a business decision, this would be a no brainer. If we do bring him in, he must be involved in the offense though. It won't work if we sit him on the bench as a third stringer. SO, if they do decide to bring him in, he must be involved in some fashion and he will bring in the ticket sales. Things would be different if we had an established offense already, but we don't, we had a QB that was dead last in everything last year. What have we got to loose?

Another losing season and a true Jaguar Fan base is what we have to lose.

How would you loose the true fan base? I thought the true fan was there through thick and thin? If anyone cancels their season tickets based on this decision, then they are no better than the Tebow fan saying they will get tickets if he does come here. The true fan will stay no matter what.

We havent had a winning season in five years. TO take a risk on a crappy hometown QB for fame and media attention is just stupid at this point. And if you think that people are going to flood the ticket office remember...these are the same people that say " Ill buy tickers IF JDR is fired" " Ill buy tickets if Coughlin is Fired." "I'll buy tickets if Garrad is cut." not to mention that most gator fans in this city have NEVER been to a gator game outside of FL/GA. I dont buy into the shit personally..

[Dapperdan]

Based on Weavers own studies, there will be at least 6,000 new season ticket holders. I think it would be more around 10k. Would that not help fill the stadium dramatically?

[duvaldude08]

Based on Weavers own studies, there will be at least 6,000 new season ticket holders. I think it would be more around 10k. Would that not help fill the stadium dramatically?

Would it put a winning product on the field?  Probably not. and a study does not equate to people ACTUALLY buying the damn tickets. Putting winning product will fill the stadium regardless of WHO the QB is. Winning gets you a slew of media attention, regardless of the QB is. TEBOW AINT SHIT. Yes I said it. He aint shit. Hes a great guy, a great leader, but as a QB HE AINT SHIT. He can not play in an NFL style offense. Even though gabbert struggled, he was playing in an NFL style offense. Tebow could not even produce more than a 46% QB rating in an offense that was designed specifically for him. How sad is that? They built a team around him and barely made it 8-8. I am very passionate about this franchise and we are in no position to set this franchise back even further for somebody just because they are from here.

[Tacachale]

Based on Weavers own studies, there will be at least 6,000 new season ticket holders. I think it would be more around 10k. Would that not help fill the stadium dramatically?

[citation needed]

Would it put a winning product on the field?  Probably not. and a study does not equate to people ACTUALLY buying the damn tickets.

Yep. And what happens to those teeming thousands should their reason for showing up turn out to be a bust, as many fear?

They drop those tickets as quick as they bought them.

[fsujax]

This saga is amazing to watch. I have been a Jags fan since the beginning win or lose. Tebow or not I will contunie to buy season tickets. I must say I am enjoying watching all the speculation. I almost feel bad for Shad Khan, he opened up the can by stating he would have selected Tebow during the draft, now it is hard for him to run from that statement. Watching and waiting. Just saw an article on the TU where Tebow stated he wanted to return and play in Florida. He missed the South, i can understand that.

[duvaldude08]

This saga is amazing to watch. I have been a Jags fan since the beginning win or lose. Tebow or not I will contunie to buy season tickets. I must say I am enjoying watching all the speculation. I almost feel bad for Shad Khan, he opened up the can by stating he would have selected Tebow during the draft, now it is hard for him to run from that statement. Watching and waiting. Just saw an article on the TU where Tebow stated he wanted to return and play in Florida. He missed the South, i can understand that.

Its annoying to me. Im glad somebody is getting a kick out this  I did not turn the TV on at all last night and have limited my time on the internet. I agree Khan has learned the hard way about what you say to the media. Ive noticed now hes learned how to difuse things without being dishonest or telling too much. Wayne Weaver didnt talk to the media for a reason. He kept his mouth shut lol

[Wacca Pilatka]

Dan, where is the 6000 figure coming from?  I know there was some public info on a study the Jags did before the 2010 draft that indicated 2000-2500 additional STHs if we drafted Tebow.  I hadn't heard of a higher figure.

My fear is that if we obtained Tebow and he busted, not only would any new exclusively-Tebow-fan ticket holders drop their tickets, they would blame the team and stoke fires of resentment against the Jaguars.  Already you can see them blaming Elway for being too stupid to gauge Tebow's true worth; one FB friend told me Elway had to get rid of Tebow because he was scared of how Tebow would eclipse his legacy in Denver.