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Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

duvaldude08

My only concern is that Robinson is a slot receiver. We have to use him in the right situation to get the most out of him. I see him as a number 2, but we still need a #1 wide out.. But we making progress
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Kaiser Soze

Robinson ain't a slot receiver.

duvaldude08

Quote from: Kaiser Soze on March 15, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
Robinson ain't a slot receiver.

Thats what Ive been reading. Ive been trying to find out more on line. But it was being said that he a slot reciever. Whatever the case, its being said the should NOT be our number guy. He should be #2 and mike thomas #3.
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Kaiser Soze

Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 15, 2012, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kaiser Soze on March 15, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
Robinson ain't a slot receiver.

Thats what Ive been reading. Ive been trying to find out more on line. But it was being said that he a slot reciever. Whatever the case, its being said the should NOT be our number guy. He should be #2 and mike thomas #3.
He's a #2 and Thomas is the slot at #3.

kells904

Robinson will be whatever the rest of the offense dictates him to be.  If wey're still a "run-run-run-punt" offense, then the defense will key on Robinson and make him ineffective.  If the other WRs around him STILL can't contribute, then...the defense will key on Robinson and make him ineffective.  Personally, I don't see Cecil Shorts as a lost cause like so many others seem to.  That pass "attack" was a total mess from the very get-go last season, so I don't see how any of them could have succeeded, let alone a 3rd round rookie trying to adjust (or was it 4th?).

I didn't know Lee Evans was a FA, which I think would be a great pickup, but I think Gene's done, unless they can weasel Mario Williams out of Buffalo.  He might be drafting his other WR.  Looks like he'll have a shot at either Blackmon or Floyd, or both, depending on if Claiborne is taken.  If anybody before us is crazy enough to draft Trent Richardson that high, things get really interesting at #7.  My guess is he takes a WR no later than Rd. 2.

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Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 15, 2012, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kaiser Soze on March 15, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
Robinson ain't a slot receiver.

Thats what Ive been reading. Ive been trying to find out more on line. But it was being said that he a slot reciever. Whatever the case, its being said the should NOT be our number guy. He should be #2 and mike thomas #3.

There's only a handful of guys that wouldn't be considered 'slot' receivers behind Dez and Miles.  Slot  :P  He was just the #3 guy on the depth chart. 

DD, what is a slot receiver?
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duvaldude08

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 15, 2012, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 15, 2012, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Kaiser Soze on March 15, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
Robinson ain't a slot receiver.

Thats what Ive been reading. Ive been trying to find out more on line. But it was being said that he a slot reciever. Whatever the case, its being said the should NOT be our number guy. He should be #2 and mike thomas #3.

There's only a handful of guys that wouldn't be considered 'slot' receivers behind Dez and Miles.  Slot  :P  He was just the #3 guy on the depth chart. 

DD, what is a slot receiver?

NRW Im not entertaining you today  ::)

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duvaldude08

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Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 15, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 15, 2012, 11:22:28 AM
NRW Im not entertaining you today  ::)

Please.   :'(

Nope. I am not letting you  ruin my buzz off my teal kool aid.  :P
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I was actually trying to pick you up a little bit.  He's possibly a legit #1, and the only reason he was #3 on the depth chart was being behind Dez and Miles.  That's not neccesarily a bad thing.  He performed pretty damn well when he was put in the gameplan.

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duvaldude08

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 15, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
I was actually trying to pick you up a little bit.  He's possibly a legit #1, and the only reason he was #3 on the depth chart was being behind Dez and Miles.  That's not neccesarily a bad thing.  He performed pretty damn well when he was put in the gameplan.

We just need to make sure we put him in the right situation as well. I think that was part of the reason Mike Thomas last season. We were using him all wrong. But with a better coaching staff with common sense, our WR core will be ALOT better this year.
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He's now the target.  Last year, we had the other teams #1 CB covering either Mike Thomas or Jason Hill with an inexperienced QB and a TE that all-of-a-sudden grew stone hands.  With that combination, the D didn't have to use the extra safety in coverage or their LBs so they were free to rush 7-9 players on almost every down.  We still ended up with the rushing champ!  We didn't have a threat anywhere on the field.

I'm not saying that Robinson is the next Andre Johnson, I'm saying that he's a bigger target with some speed that will probably draw the #1 CB.  If we can get something to put opposite of him and ML starts catching the ball again and MT can is allowed to rove in the middle and Blaine can get just a little better, we could have an actual passing game that will require more than 2-3 people to cover the entire field.

It's all about matchups.  Last year we didn't have one.  Mike Thomas on Derrell Revis = No catches.  Mike Thomas on an OLB = he'll be open a lot more often.

Speaking of matchups.  All the talk about Alualu not being worth the pick usually means that people are looking at one thing - sacks.  What people need to realize is that these guys have certain jobs on every play.  Do you know why Poz made so many tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage?  It's because we use our DTs like the offense uses blockers - they clear a path for the LBs to see in the backfield.  Every once and a while, they'll run into the play and make a tackle or a sack, but for the most part, they're blocking for the guys behind them - just like an OT or OG or C.  They're usually taking on both a G & C and if they're lucky the FB as well.

Big Hen and Stroud were so dominant because of their size.  They were immovable.  We're smaller now, but we make up for it with speed.  Look at the plays when Alualu or Potroast break free and chase guys down - RBs - on the other side of the play.  There's no way that these 280lb linemen should be chasing down RBs and QBs, but they do.
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duvaldude08

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 15, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
He's now the target.  Last year, we had the other teams #1 CB covering either Mike Thomas or Jason Hill with an inexperienced QB and a TE that all-of-a-sudden grew stone hands.  With that combination, the D didn't have to use the extra safety in coverage or their LBs so they were free to rush 7-9 players on almost every down.  We still ended up with the rushing champ!  We didn't have a threat anywhere on the field.

I'm not saying that Robinson is the next Andre Johnson, I'm saying that he's a bigger target with some speed that will probably draw the #1 CB.  If we can get something to put opposite of him and ML starts catching the ball again and MT can is allowed to rove in the middle and Blaine can get just a little better, we could have an actual passing game that will require more than 2-3 people to cover the entire field.

It's all about matchups.  Last year we didn't have one.  Mike Thomas on Derrell Revis = No catches.  Mike Thomas on an OLB = he'll be open a lot more often.

Speaking of matchups.  All the talk about Alualu not being worth the pick usually means that people are looking at one thing - sacks.  What people need to realize is that these guys have certain jobs on every play.  Do you know why Poz made so many tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage?  It's because we use our DTs like the offense uses blockers - they clear a path for the LBs to see in the backfield.  Every once and a while, they'll run into the play and make a tackle or a sack, but for the most part, they're blocking for the guys behind them - just like an OT or OG or C.  They're usually taking on both a G & C and if they're lucky the FB as well.

Big Hen and Stroud were so dominant because of their size.  They were immovable.  We're smaller now, but we make up for it with speed.  Look at the plays when Alualu or Potroast break free and chase guys down - RBs - on the other side of the play.  There's no way that these 280lb linemen should be chasing down RBs and QBs, but they do.

I am glad we kept everything with our defense in place including the coaches and players. If they played that well together with a bunch of free agents and no offseason, and can only imagine what they are going to do this year. Tyson got his knee fixed and pot roast is trying to shed some pounds. They will be even more effective together. Our defense will be in the top five again for sure. I would strecth it and say in the top two. Im excited though. We are really piecing together a good team. I dont expect us to be "elite" in 2013, thats not realstic. I would like a winning season and with a hint of the playoffs.

I also just read that Jerry Sullivan was pushing for us to get Robinson. That old guy is one of the WR coaches there is, so If he seen something in Robinson, there is actually something there.
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Ajax

Bills just signed Mario Williams for 6 years/$100M.  Uh...they can have him at that price. 

Wacca Pilatka

I'm with you Ajax.  If we get a Kamerion Wimbley instead of a Williams and maybe use some of the savings toward another useful player (second WR or maybe a CB), I'm more than content.

Duvaldude - yes, Sullivan privately coached Robinson last offseason.
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