Shots fired at Episcopal School of Jacksonville

[ben says]

I went to Bolles for 14 years (my whole education prior to college, from EK to 12). Had many Episcopal friends...knew a few teachers. While there was much immature shit talking between schools, I always felt a close bond to Episcopal. Again, very sad stuff.

[Victor711]

This is very sad, yet so scary.
I always fear that this would occur at my school from the acts of violence common there.
Surprised it hasn't even happened yet.. and I hope it continues to be that way.
My prayers are to Episcopal, nobody deserved this.

[Timkin]

This is very sad, yet so scary.
I always fear that this would occur at my school from the acts of violence common there.
Surprised it hasn't even happened yet.. and I hope it continues to be that way.
My prayers are to Episcopal, nobody deserved this.

+1

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I guess we can score another one for the NRA. I hope the local chapter will send flowers to the funeral, even if it sets back its lobbying budget a little.

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[Ocklawaha]

I guess we can score another one for the NRA. I hope the local chapter will send flowers to the funeral, even if it sets back its lobbying budget a little.

That teacher had to have not been quite right, to have gone and done this.  And he was around kids day in and day out! 

Saying that guy was not quite right is like saying Hitler wasn't very nice.

Why should the NRA feel a sense of guilt over the actions of a crazy person? Last July we read about a New York teenage girl that was beaten to death with a hammer by her stepfather, should hammer manufacturers apologize? What about tool and craftsman magazines and organizations? Don't they promote ownership and the safe use of hammers?

Sorry y'all, but people that blame the gun are in denial. We could take the worlds most dangerous hair trigger gun, load it and lay it on the ground, and if it were possible, come back in 20,000 years and it would still be there... UNFIRED!

The act of murder is horrible, inexcusable, and tragic, attaching random blame is uncalled for.

[I-10east]

^^^+1

[Timkin]

I guess we can score another one for the NRA. I hope the local chapter will send flowers to the funeral, even if it sets back its lobbying budget a little.

That teacher had to have not been quite right, to have gone and done this.  And he was around kids day in and day out! 

Saying that guy was not quite right is like saying Hitler wasn't very nice.

Why should the NRA feel a sense of guilt over the actions of a crazy person? Last July we read about a New York teenage girl that was beaten to death with a hammer by her stepfather, should hammer manufacturers apologize? What about tool and craftsman magazines and organizations? Don't they promote ownership and the safe use of hammers?

Sorry y'all, but people that blame the gun are in denial. We could take the worlds most dangerous hair trigger gun, load it and lay it on the ground, and if it were possible, come back in 20,000 years and it would still be there... UNFIRED!

The act of murder is horrible, inexcusable, and tragic, attaching random blame is uncalled for.

Not that it matters or we will ever know the "between the lines" of this horrible event... How could such a 'crazy' person not have given any signs of this.  He was apparently employed there for around 2 years, or at least I think I recall that being stated on one of the news reports.. he had been a teacher for several years.

    I see both positions on the gun issue.  A gun is only as safe as the person's judgement who uses it... The gun cannot think or act , itself.

Such a random , senseless , horrible event would have me , were I a parent , questioning the integrity of Teachers, and  I know that is an offhanded -sounding remark, but this event goes to show that you never know.   Apparently (?)  there was some connection with this person being terminated and his action that followed.. in other words, perhaps the Head Master ( I presume she terminated the Teacher) must have known something was not right.  maybe not.. I don't know.

It just makes no sense at all.

[CityLife]

The guy was a member of a group called "Concerned Taxpayers of Duval County". They once sued John Peyton and City Council, but I didn't bother to read why.

http://jaxtaxpayers.org/pdfs/complaintdocs/complaint.pdf

His Facebook wall postings are pretty bizarre and all over the place.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001445903045&sk=wall

[Bativac]

It seems like a couple of other murderers recently have had Facebook pages displaying their rambling and rantings. Maybe school administrators should monitor their employees Facebook pages for signs of possible wackiness. Otherwise, how would you know if you had an unbalanced teacher on staff?

This happened right around the corner from my house. The news crews were still out there at 11 PM last night and 6:30 this morning.

[JeffreyS]

It seems like a couple of other murderers recently have had Facebook pages displaying their rambling and rantings. Maybe school administrators should monitor their employees Facebook pages for signs of possible wackiness. Otherwise, how would you know if you had an unbalanced teacher on staff?

I guess they could monitor their email as well, plus regular mail, phone calls, mic all of their conversations and of course have big brother cameras everywhere they go that ought to do it.

[Doctor_K]

I guess we can score another one for the NRA. I hope the local chapter will send flowers to the funeral, even if it sets back its lobbying budget a little.

That teacher had to have not been quite right, to have gone and done this.  And he was around kids day in and day out! 

Saying that guy was not quite right is like saying Hitler wasn't very nice.

Why should the NRA feel a sense of guilt over the actions of a crazy person? Last July we read about a New York teenage girl that was beaten to death with a hammer by her stepfather, should hammer manufacturers apologize? What about tool and craftsman magazines and organizations? Don't they promote ownership and the safe use of hammers?

Sorry y'all, but people that blame the gun are in denial. We could take the worlds most dangerous hair trigger gun, load it and lay it on the ground, and if it were possible, come back in 20,000 years and it would still be there... UNFIRED!

The act of murder is horrible, inexcusable, and tragic, attaching random blame is uncalled for.

+2

[ben says]

While I will try to stay out of the NRA debate, can anyone, honestly, make a strong argument for WHY anybody should own an AK-47? I think we can all agree that the purpose for an AK-47 is to kill humans...so why should they be available to the public? Granted, this guy would have killed her with a pistol if he didn't have an AK, but the point remains the same. Why do people need high powered assault rifles?

[subro]

While I will try to stay out of the NRA debate, can anyone, honestly, make a strong argument for WHY anybody should own an AK-47? I think we can all agree that the purpose for an AK-47 is to kill humans...so why should they be available to the public? Granted, this guy would have killed her with a pistol if he didn't have an AK, but the point remains the same. Why do people need high powered assault rifles?

Because they're fun to shoot. Why do people buy cars that can go 120 mph when the speed limit is 70 mph. Because they're fun to drive.

[acme54321]

While I will try to stay out of the NRA debate, can anyone, honestly, make a strong argument for WHY anybody should own an AK-47? I think we can all agree that the purpose for an AK-47 is to kill humans...so why should they be available to the public? Granted, this guy would have killed her with a pistol if he didn't have an AK, but the point remains the same. Why do people need high powered assault rifles?

See that's half the problem, these things are so hyped up people don't even know what they really are.  What is so "high powered" about a 7.62X39 round?  Is it more powerful than a .22? Yes.  Is it more powerful than most hunting rifles?  No.

Check out this website, his formula accounting for velocity, weight, section seems pretty good for the "power" of a certain round.  The higher the number the more powerful it is according to this formula.  Find 7.62x39 on there, then compare that number to the rest, especially the 30-30 and .30-06 calibers that are very comming for hunting rifles.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_killing_power_list.htm

[acme54321]

I also heard Ken Jefferson on channel 4 last night make the comment that the AK-47 is usually used by snipers.  That one made me laugh.