RAP OVERLAY & KICKBACKS

[Kaiser Soze]

Before you go ranting on about the overlay and RAP, realize that an overlay and historic designation protects the neighborhood from wholesale destruction or bastardizing of historic buildings.  RAP doesn't control the process.  The LUZ committee and the City Council does.  But without the preservation advocacy, you could end up with people modernizing your commercial buildings and making them look like the god-awful pink stucco eyesore that is the old Claude Nolan Building on Main Street.  You can't even tell any longer that there is an incredible praire style building beneath those awful pink stucco panels that were added in the desire to "update" an old building. 

Oh...and I like the sculpture. It would be great to put an uplight in there and rotate art from willing artists.

Let me ask you this, Debbie.  Post overlay, name me one building in the riverside-avondale area that has been "bastardized."  I cannot think of one.  The overlay is doing the intended job of preserving historic buildings.

The Kickback issue is not about preserving historic buildings.  Its about parking.  Its solely about parking.  RAP should not be involved in parking discussions as it is well outside its expertise and the principles upon which RAP was founded.  So, I ask again, wh the hell is RAP asserting itself so strenuously in the Kickbacks situation???

[Ocklawaha]

i split off the 5-Points Art Piece, from the hijacked section which is attacking both RAP and KICKBACKS. Before more of our readers send me a note about our 'hate' for RAP and SPAR, let me assure you THERE IS NO SUCH THING. We do not have any ill wishes for any of the historical preservation districts. We have disagreed with some of RAPs officers and members over the issue of Kickbacks, and have offered the mobility plan streetcar as the logical solution. Likewise we hold no ill will toward SPAR, but we certainly disagreed with certain past directors decisions regarding business locations, and several other points.

Speaking for myself, I fully support RAP, SPAR, as well as Saint Nicholas and San Marco preservation efforts, but I believe these organizations can be even more successful by finding ways to embrace the whole community.

OCK

[Kickbackssteve]

In fairness to RAP, their board is meeting as we speak to consider a compromise proposal that we have offered. 

Just to be clear on one other issue, we now have two COA's from the HPC. One to tear down the building next door, which RAP did not oppose since it is a non-contributing structure,  and one that indicates that the design of the new building is appropriate for the neighborhood (that we worked with RAP to achieve).

[mtraininjax]

man you guys totally hijacked this thread about art in 5pts. go back to your own posts. it be nice of a moderator would move said posts.

Come on man, this aint pre-k, and many of these issues overlap each other. RAP has too much control over too many items in the area. They might come out and say that they need to see yellow paint on new artwork because they feel like it and the City Historic Division believes them and makes it happen.

Heck the news people don't even know where Riverside, Avondale or the westside is located, but they sure do know where the beach is, and these are products of our public school system too, go figure.

[Know Growth]

man you guys totally hijacked this thread about art in 5pts. go back to your own posts. it be nice of a moderator would move said posts.

It's about all MJ can muster,contribute.

Reference to MJ as alternate source of info on RAP Kickbacks update website was dropped .............bummer,reference to MJ likely enhanced "RAP",citizens and the Merchant Associations.

Inevitable

KnowGrowth/NorthMiami and who knows who else.....

[grimss]

A little insight into the process behind the development of the Riverside Avondale Zoning Overlay. Worth reviewing, and clearly NOT a 30 minute process, as someone alluded to earlier.

http://www.slideshare.net/RiversideAvondale/riverside-avondale-zoning-overlay-report

[Know Growth]

Wow,the photos.....I was twenty pounds heavier.

Although seemingly 'friendlier' than Clay County Sector Plan/Beltway public proceedings,the Overlay presented similar drivers,issues.........and leading participants to overwhelming "Vision" for public park on Fishweir Creek was easy.Needed expendable.





KG/NM and who Knows who else....

[Kaiser Soze]

A little insight into the process behind the development of the Riverside Avondale Zoning Overlay. Worth reviewing, and clearly NOT a 30 minute process, as someone alluded to earlier.

http://www.slideshare.net/RiversideAvondale/riverside-avondale-zoning-overlay-report

Perhaps those opposed to Kickbacks and other commercial growth along King Street and similar commercial nodes should re-read the second bullet on slide 38.  To reiterate, the overlay is doing the job it was intended to do.  Its RAP and its gaggle of busybodies that believe they know what's best for our neighborhood that has gone astray.

As for attacking RAP, I absolutely am (duh).  I have yet to see any RAP supporters address the issues I have raised.  Why?  Because they cannot.  Everyone knows RAP is trying to expand into something for which is was not intended.

[Live_Oak]

In fairness to RAP, their board is meeting as we speak to consider a compromise proposal that we have offered. 

So, what did they think of your proposal?  Can you share?

[Kickbackssteve]

Still no word. They promised to provide the results to us today at the latest. (Friday). I'll share them if I can....

[Kaiser Soze]

Still no word. They promised to provide the results to us today at the latest. (Friday). I'll share them if I can....

Would love to hear this.  My guess is that they will not be happy when anything you put forward.  At the very least, they will want to interject how they think your restaurant should be laid out.