The Jacksonville Jaguars

[marksjax]

Probably right and there are many reasons it may never happen.
But, I am still going to start the official get Peyton in  a Jags uniform bandwagon.
Seats on this train are free.
All Aboard! Choo Choo...

[comncense]

Well one thing for sure... It's gonna be a LONG but exciting off-season. I predict there will be a lot of people hopping on the Jaguars Bandwagon this year.

[duvaldude08]

You know sports media is sad. I just read an article that said we told pot roast he is "too fat" and he can not succeed in the NFL if hes "too fat". When did ANY from the Jags camp say that? They talk to him about his weight, and that was it. They are only looking out for his best interest. Hes a great player, but if he keeps his weight under control he probably would pick up speed and be even more effiecent. Then also, having to much weight on you can cause injuries. I love me some pot roast. They need to stop the madness.

Nah.  It was started here first by either Mel Tucker or Joe Cullen.

I remebmer them talking about it. But you know how the sports media is. They took it the 100th power and quoted "Too Fat" constantly thoughout the article. They did talk to him about, but not in the way the article was making it seem.

[I-10east]

I think he was just saying that off of a whelm. Had he actually know the facts regarding Tebow, and the Jaguars needs at the time, he would have made the same decision. However, if he is just pulling the leg of the college fans to get them to buy tickets, Im all for it! 

+10

If Khan saying that comment don't motivate Gabbert to play a great 2012 season, nothing will. Look for Florio (PFT) to get wind of this very soon, and turn it into an anti-Jaguar doomsday scenario. Actually concerning Shad's statement, IMO the positives far outweigh the negatives (motivating Gabbert, catering to the bandwagon 'on the fence' fans and all). 

[KenFSU]

I hope Khan is just pandering to the college fans. Not that they guy we got over Tebow, Alualu, has been a star, but he knows how to play his position and he performs consistently. You can't really say that about Tebow, at least not yet.

Plus our defense has improved dramatically since that time. In other words, you'd have to weigh how many college fans we'd attract to games with Tebow against how many others would stay home because we'd have lost even more games without our defense (and with a QB who leaned heavily on a strong defense).

I think he was just saying that off of a whelm. Had he actually know the facts regarding Tebow, and the Jaguars needs at the time, he would have made the same decision. However, if he is just pulling the leg of the college fans to get them to buy tickets, Im all for it! 

I've kept my opinions to myself on the Tebow thing, but I think you guys are totally missing the point here. At the end of the day, the Jags "needs" boil down to one thing, and one thing only -- selling tickets. It's as simple as that. It's pretty condescending to suggest that Khan doesn't know "the facts" concerning Tebow. There's not much more to know other than the fact that he would have sold a LOT of tickets for this franchise, regardless of how he panned out on the field. As a business owner, smartly concerned with filling the stadium first (you know, making money) and winning games second, I totally agree with Khan. How many people do you know who buy Jags tickets to see Alualu play. It's not a knock against the guy, he's a big part of our defense, but let's be realistic here.

And let's not view things in such a simplistic manner to suggest that a star-less 12-4 team will -- simply by virtue of winning -- make more money than an 7-9 team with players wildly popular to the area.

Number don't lie, and the statistics all point to the fact that fielding a winning team doesn't guarantee any increase in attendance over fielding a losing team.

Business Insider - Wins and Losses Have No Bearing on NFL Attendance
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-04/sports/29972322_1_attendance-drop-attendance-playoff-game

Here, also, is an interesting study on sports attendance:
http://www.rodneyfort.com/Academic/Submitted/Mills%20and%20Fort%20League%20Level%20(EI%20Final%20Draft).pdf

Heck, the Jags best on-field season to date also corresponds to their first significant decrease in ticket sales.

Winning may be part of the answer for selling out our stadium on a consistent manner, but it isn't the only answer, and I'd argue that it's far from the most important answer. If you don't believe me, look south toward our Marlins and Rays, who can't put 10,000 in their stadium with World Series contenders.

Tebow was a HUGE missed opportunity for this city, regardless of win count.

The NFL is entertainment first, sport second, and I'm hoping Khan's statement on Tebow means he realizes that too.

Like him or hate him (and I'm no huge fan), Pro-Bowler or bust, this franchise had the golden goose in our laps, and we let it fly away.

That's not a mistake we can afford to make again in the future.

[fieldafm]

There's not much more to know other than the fact that he would have sold a LOT of tickets for this franchise, regardless of how he panned out on the field.

The problem is, the facts say differently.

Tebow's first NFL game just happened to be played in Jax.  That game was only the third highest attended game that year.  And it just happened to be the home opener, which always draw well no matter who is playing. 

Tebow's presence didn't result in a spike in attendance.

[ben says]

I hope Khan is just pandering to the college fans. Not that they guy we got over Tebow, Alualu, has been a star, but he knows how to play his position and he performs consistently. You can't really say that about Tebow, at least not yet.

Plus our defense has improved dramatically since that time. In other words, you'd have to weigh how many college fans we'd attract to games with Tebow against how many others would stay home because we'd have lost even more games without our defense (and with a QB who leaned heavily on a strong defense).

I think he was just saying that off of a whelm. Had he actually know the facts regarding Tebow, and the Jaguars needs at the time, he would have made the same decision. However, if he is just pulling the leg of the college fans to get them to buy tickets, Im all for it! 

I've kept my opinions to myself on the Tebow thing, but I think you guys are totally missing the point here. At the end of the day, the Jags "needs" boil down to one thing, and one thing only -- selling tickets. It's as simple as that. It's pretty condescending to suggest that Khan doesn't know "the facts" concerning Tebow. There's not much more to know other than the fact that he would have sold a LOT of tickets for this franchise, regardless of how he panned out on the field. As a business owner, smartly concerned with filling the stadium first (you know, making money) and winning games second, I totally agree with Khan. How many people do you know who buy Jags tickets to see Alualu play. It's not a knock against the guy, he's a big part of our defense, but let's be realistic here.

And let's not view things in such a simplistic manner to suggest that a star-less 12-4 team will -- simply by virtue of winning -- make more money than an 7-9 team with players wildly popular to the area.

Number don't lie, and the statistics all point to the fact that fielding a winning team doesn't guarantee any increase in attendance over fielding a losing team.

Business Insider - Wins and Losses Have No Bearing on NFL Attendance
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-04/sports/29972322_1_attendance-drop-attendance-playoff-game

Here, also, is an interesting study on sports attendance:
http://www.rodneyfort.com/Academic/Submitted/Mills%20and%20Fort%20League%20Level%20(EI%20Final%20Draft).pdf

Heck, the Jags best on-field season to date also corresponds to their first significant decrease in ticket sales.

Winning may be part of the answer for selling out our stadium on a consistent manner, but it isn't the only answer, and I'd argue that it's far from the most important answer. If you don't believe me, look south toward our Marlins and Rays, who can't put 10,000 in their stadium with World Series contenders.

Tebow was a HUGE missed opportunity for this city, regardless of win count.

The NFL is entertainment first, sport second, and I'm hoping Khan's statement on Tebow means he realizes that too.

Like him or hate him (and I'm no huge fan), Pro-Bowler or bust, this franchise had the golden goose in our laps, and we let it fly away.

That's not a mistake we can afford to make again in the future.

1) I am not a Tebow fan.

2) Your statements regarding Tebow and ticket sales are blind conjecture at best.

3) That being said, I agree with the basics of what you're saying: tickets are what counts, I just don't believe Tebow was a golden-egg.

[comncense]

Yeah I'd much rather have an Aaron Rogers than a Tim Tebow.

[comncense]

Just saw this article on Peyton Manning. It says sources close to him believe that his career has come to an end.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning

Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports that "people close" to Peyton Manning (neck surgeries) believe his career is over.
Two sources told Yahoo that the nerves in Manning's three-times surgically repaired neck are not just recovering slowly, they "don’t appear to be progressing at enough of a rate to indicate that he will play again." Manning has lost velocity on his passes, and the sources don't believe he'll regain it. Further, two NFL-affiliated doctors would recommend against the Colts paying Manning's $28 million roster bonus. It's believed Manning's rehab has "hit a plateau." Jan 30 - 11:26 PM

[duvaldude08]

I said it once, I will say it again. Gimmicks are not a long term solution to solve tickets. For Jacksonville, TEbow would have been a huge gimmick. And once Tebow's performance tanked, and God forbid we benched him or cut him from the team, half the fan base would leave along with him. I want our fanbase to be built around TRUE Jags fan, not someone whose coming to the game to see a "person".

[urbanlibertarian]

1.  Ticket sales will improve when more people get jobs and local businesses start turning a profit again.
2.  It's a young man's game.  Gabbert has a much better chance of being good next year than Peyton does.
3.  IMHO Tebow's success will fall off when opposing defenses learn how to beat him, much like what happened with the recent "wildcat" craze.

[KenFSU]

1.  Ticket sales will improve when more people get jobs and local businesses start turning a profit again.

*Or when ticket prices fall to the point that supply equals market demand.

Not saying it's a perfect solution, but it would result in the same outcome in the short term.

[tufsu1]

so ticket prices that start at $35 are too expensive?

[comncense]

Great read in the Jax Daily Record. Interview with Mr. Khan.

http://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=535539

[duvaldude08]

so ticket prices that start at $35 are too expensive?

Yeah the ticket price thing should not be an excuse now. They are dirt cheap. I still hear people say tickets are expense, and when I tell them, " you can get a good seat fro 50.00" They seem amazed and say they never knew.