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Started by RockStar, January 23, 2012, 01:03:07 AM

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thelakelander

#1
January 23, 2012, 06:30:30 AM
Nice article covering the general views of both sides.  It will be interesting to read the online debate that's sure to take place today.
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jcjohnpaint

#2
January 23, 2012, 07:06:11 AM
well you think of Neptune Beach town center.  I think a city garage would really help.  I think they have been talking about Garages at the beach and it seems like this might work. 

thelakelander

#3
January 23, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
They'd be better off putting garage money into the mobility plan streetcar starter funding pot.  Structured parking can run you as much as $20-25k per space and you'll be hard pressed to visually integrate a facility like that in the area.  It may be time to get back to the basics.  The scale of the context that's there today would not have been possible without having the streetcar as one of the major modes of mobility.  Quite frankly, there is no automobile based solution that can serve Riverside and Park & King without taking away from the neighborhood's scale and historic context.
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BridgeTroll

#4
January 23, 2012, 07:43:32 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 23, 2012, 06:30:30 AM
Nice article covering the general views of both sides.  It will be interesting to read the online debate that's sure to take place today.

Agree...
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Tacachale

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January 23, 2012, 08:29:46 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 23, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
They'd be better off putting garage money into the mobility plan streetcar starter funding pot.  Structured parking can run you as much as $20-25k per space and you'll be hard pressed to visually integrate a facility like that in the area.  It may be time to get back to the basics.  The scale of the context that's there today would not have been possible without having the streetcar as one of the major modes of mobility.  Quite frankly, there is no automobile based solution that can serve Riverside and Park & King without taking away from the neighborhood's scale and historic context.
I agree on that. A garage is the last thing that area needs. Finding a different solution will help mitigate the parking issue, allowing those in the neighborhood to get there while freeing up street parking for people in driving distance. It's interesting that the owners of Kickbacks are the only ones talking about alternative solutions that doesn't require adding parking or artificially sizing the business down to fit the current parking.
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cline

#6
January 23, 2012, 09:11:24 AM
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I'm assuming he means Panda House.

Gonzo

#7
January 23, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
Did the owners of Chew and Orsay have similar issues with RAP when they decided to put in the new building on Margaret St.? How about Orsay, did they have issues regarding thier parking situation with RAP?

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fieldafm

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January 23, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
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Did the owners of Chew and Orsay have similar issues with RAP when they decided to put in the new building on Margaret St.? How about Orsay, did they have issues regarding thier parking situation with RAP?

Chew is a seperate issue b/c they are in the Urban Transition Zone.  Different rules are in play.  It's not necessarily apples to oranges... but more oranges to grapefruits.

Orsay went into an existing building.  So again, different situation.

QuoteQuite frankly, there is no automobile based solution that can serve Riverside and Park & King without taking away from the neighborhood's scale and historic context.

100% agreed. 

cline

#9
January 23, 2012, 09:24:49 AM
Since Orsay was an existing building, it was not required to provide any additional parking.  I believe the new Chew got an exception regarding its setback.  It will also be adding 11 new spots.

Gonzo

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January 23, 2012, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: cline on January 23, 2012, 09:24:49 AM
Since Orsay was an existing building, it was not required to provide any additional parking.  I believe the new Chew got an exception regarding its setback.  It will also be adding 11 new spots.

Gotcha.

Still, sounds like nitpicking to me. But, I suppose that is what bureaucracy is...
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fieldafm

#11
January 23, 2012, 09:30:07 AM
I sympahtize with Chris, people parking in that double lot driveway is wrong on every level imaginable

but I don't agree with this quote
QuoteYou’ve got an area already at saturation

Historically speaking, the area is actually still underperforming despite the infill growth of the past 5 years.  The area can support even more infill... but with a less auto-centric reliance.

Tacachale

#12
January 23, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
^Unfortunately, too many people in this city and state would define "saturation" as "the most amount of cars that can fit, and comfortably."
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Gonzo

#13
January 23, 2012, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on January 23, 2012, 09:30:07 AM

but I don't agree with this quote
QuoteYou’ve got an area already at saturation

Historically speaking, the area is actually still underperforming despite the infill growth of the past 5 years.  The area can support even more infill... but with a less auto-centric reliance.

I am over there often and even on Friday nights rarely have an issue finding a parking spot more than a half a block away. Sure, the spots on King are taken. But, there is always someplace LEGAL to park.
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fieldafm

#14
January 23, 2012, 10:24:52 AM
Presently, there is a parking distribution problem in the district.... not a parking supply problem. 
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