The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Just watched the Broncos win in a game which was the complete opposite of the Jags game. What an exciting game and Tebow keeps on winning.

Just curious. How was it the "complete opposite"?

I'm with copperfiend on this one.  What is the complete opposite of Painfully, Excruciating to watch for 60 minutes (74:31 for the Broncos, actually)?  Because both games fit that bill, it's just that one had a better outcome for the hometeam. 

[tufsu1]

well in this case, the Broncos were the road team

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

well in this case, the Broncos were the road team

I stand by my comment.  It's one game closer to the Chargers dismissal of Norv Turner.   

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I guess the same could be said for us also.

[Tacachale]

I guess the same could be said for us also.

Yup!

[Dapperdan]

Just watched the Broncos win in a game which was the complete opposite of the Jags game. What an exciting game and Tebow keeps on winning.

Just curious. How was it the "complete opposite"?

I had a group of friends over, and we turned off the Jags game several times as it was just painful to watch our offense. With BG it was three and out constantly. It was a boring game of punts. That had to a be a terribly low rated game. I can only imagine the dud that ESPN knows is going to be this next Monday Night. I feel badly for them.

We then watched the Broncos- Chargers game which CBS wisely aired instead of the New England game. There were several punts in this game as well, but you can't tell me watching "St Timmy" is the same as watching BG. Tebow makes things exciting to watch. You never know what is going to happen. I saw him stand in the pocket and throw some very nice passes, and I saw him run allot. Some were for no gains or losses, but many were for big yards. We were all on pins and needles at the end. What I saw was an improving QB in Tebow. It may not be pretty at times, but it sure is exciting to watch.

What I have noticed is that the Tim haters are very much hating that he  keeps on winning, which is fine with me. We keep making excuses for 'our guy', but  allow no such leeway for Tebow. BG keeps getting worse, and even Dan Hicken said this morning that by placing BG in this role when he clearly was not ready may have caused irreparable harm to him. He clearly is fearing the hits and constantly over or underthrows receivers. Tebow, on the other hand seems to be getting better each game. He makes better decisions and seems to throw it a bit better each game.

I know I will be labeled a Tebow fan on here in a  negative light which is fine by me. I am not a BG fan at all. I have said from the beginning, we made the wrong choice. Any of the other 2011 rookie QBs would have been better. Maybe with a proper off season, new coach,  and a decent WR, next year will be different, but I find it very unlikely. It is what it is. Poor management from the top down in this cluster you know what of a team.

[Tacachale]

^You might have been watching a different Broncos game than the rest of us if you think it was "exiting". The only thing that made this game a boon for Football Jesus rather than an embarrassment was the final score - which came in sudden death overtime, on a field goal.

Of course, a win's a win. We'll see if he can keep translating. And it doesn't do the Jags a blind bit of good, and I for one remain skeptical enough of Tebow that I'm content to have passed him over to build up our defense.

[fsujax]

I dont really care about Denver, never have and never will. I just want the Jags to freaking win! I am really tired of the losing. Reading all the negative comments about the team is really just plain sad. So many people are frustrated and rightly so.

[Keith-N-Jax]

What game were some of you watching? Did you not see the amount of time Tebow had to complete passes?  San Diego deserved to lose that game. Never seen a team with so much talent, but yet fails year after year. Back to Moses, his receivers actually catch balls that are thrown to them and get separation. To BG defense he was literally on his heels as soon as he dropped back at least 90% of the game.  Tebow is not and never will be the answer. You saw what happen when they played a team with a winning recorded.

[I-10east]

It's a nice fantasy, but the reality is that Tebow wasn't available in 2011. He was drafted in 2010. In 2010 we took Tyson Alualu out of UC Berkley and focused on the defense.

That's the point, I was talking about it from a 'fantasy' perspective, like if the Jags got Timmy in 2010. I'm well aware concerning the facts that you mentioned.

Do you really think St. Tim, with all his limitations, could have really done anything with our offense? Come on.

Look, you're preaching to the choir. You couldn't tell that hint of sarcasm tone with my comment? All I'm saying that Timmy boy would be a good option at QB for a team like the Jags with a sucky O-Line, and WR's, and believe me, that's not saying much. By no means I'm delusional thinking the he's the long term answer for a NFL team.   

[Dapperdan]

Keith,
Tom Mcmanus on his show today thinks the O line does not respect Gabbert. He said it was very telling that they did not help him up.  He also said the team looked like it was not even paying attention to him in the huddle. He needs to get the respect of his teamates back by staying in the pocket and taking the hits like every other QB in the league. Most of the time he got sacked or hit was because he panicked and ran out of the pocket. Mcmanus is a former player so I do respect his opinions most of the time.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Just watched the Broncos win in a game which was the complete opposite of the Jags game. What an exciting game and Tebow keeps on winning.

Just curious. How was it the "complete opposite"?

I had a group of friends over, and we turned off the Jags game several times as it was just painful to watch our offense.

It was painful to watch both of the offenses.  Jaguars & Broncos.   The fact that you want to keep overlooking is that for both teams, the only reason they're in games late is due to the play of their defense. 
   

We then watched the Broncos- Chargers game which CBS wisely aired instead of the New England game. There were several punts in this game as well, but you can't tell me watching "St Timmy" is the same as watching BG.

On this we agree.  At least the Jags are attempting to run a pro-style offense instead of changing their entire offensive scheme.  Riddle me this DD, at the end of the season, the Jags go into the draft with a young, franchise-type, prototypical QB.  We know the pieces to put around him to make him better.  What does Denver do in the offseason?  Do they continue to build around the Tebow-Offense or do they stand firm and continue building a pro-style offense and force Tebow to adapt.

Tebow makes things exciting to watch. You never know what is going to happen. I saw him stand in the pocket and throw some very nice passes, and I saw him run allot. Some were for no gains or losses, but many were for big yards. We were all on pins and needles at the end. What I saw was an improving QB in Tebow. It may not be pretty at times, but it sure is exciting to watch.

So you enjoy watching your QB scramble for the entire game.  Fine.  We just enjoy watching two completely different styles of football.  I didn't like watch getting BG get killed on the field yesterday, but I do like watching a professional football game and dislike the college game.   

What I have noticed is that the Tim haters are very much hating that he  keeps on winning, which is fine with me. We keep making excuses for 'our guy', but  allow no such leeway for Tebow. BG keeps getting worse, and even Dan Hicken said this morning that by placing BG in this role when he clearly was not ready may have caused irreparable harm to him. He clearly is fearing the hits and constantly over or underthrows receivers. Tebow, on the other hand seems to be getting better each game. He makes better decisions and seems to throw it a bit better each game.

I'm on the record as a wait-and-see Tebow guy.  I'm still waiting.  Personally, I think they're winning in spite of Tebow and not because of Tebow.  The Bronco's D is a thing of beauty.  If they're not sacking the QB, they're hitting him.  If they're not hitting him, they're flushing him out of the pocket.  They get in the opponents head and stay there.  Phillip Rivers is a good QB, but he was looking over both shoulders yesterday before looking down the field.  He won't have that problem on Monday, I'm afraid.  BG was absolutely killed yesterday.  He didn't have time to look over his shoulder.  I wish Uche and Whimper could personally feel the pain that Gabbert was feeling yesterday and is definitely feeling today.  They were turnstiles on the right side and I blame them for 80% of our futility on the field yesterday.  Marcedes gets a good chunk of it, too.   One catch away from this having a totally different outcome.  BTW, Tebow was still only 9-18-143-1TD, not the kind of line that you expect to see from the winning QB.

I know I will be labeled a Tebow fan on here in a  negative light which is fine by me. I am not a BG fan at all. I have said from the beginning, we made the wrong choice. Any of the other 2011 rookie QBs would have been better. Maybe with a proper off season, new coach,  and a decent WR, next year will be different, but I find it very unlikely. It is what it is. Poor management from the top down in this cluster you know what of a team.

We'll both see what 2012 holds.  Being a Tebow fan is fine.  Continually stating that he would better our team...  I can't wrap my head around it.   This discussion won't have any real meat to it until we're able to compare apples to apples.  For the record, Tebow isn't a rookie.  So to compare, unfortunately we really need to wait until 2013-2014.

[Tacachale]

It's a nice fantasy, but the reality is that Tebow wasn't available in 2011. He was drafted in 2010. In 2010 we took Tyson Alualu out of UC Berkley and focused on the defense.

That's the point, I was talking about it from a 'fantasy' perspective, like if the Jags got Timmy in 2010. I'm well aware concerning the facts that you mentioned.

Do you really think St. Tim, with all his limitations, could have really done anything with our offense? Come on.

Look, you're preaching to the choir. You couldn't tell that hint of sarcasm tone with my comment? All I'm saying that Timmy boy would be a good option at QB for a team like the Jags with a sucky O-Line, and WR's, and believe me, that's not saying much. By no means I'm delusional thinking the he's the long term answer for a NFL team.   

Apologies I-10, my comments were more directed at Dapperdan than at you.

At any rate my real argument isn't that BG is a better quarterback than Mahatma Tebow (we'll see). It's that considering our other needs and Tebow's limitations, he was not the best choice as a football player for our team. Instead of Tebow we drafted Tyson Alualu and built our defense, with the effect that we've totally turned that side of our game around in just a season. Devotees of the Shrine of St. Timothy of Jacksonville tend to overlook that.

[BridgeTroll]

While it is interesting and fun to watch the Denver coaching staff come up with a formula to win with Tebow... It is clear with the release of Orton they are making way to either draft or acquire a quarterback in the off season to compete with Tebow next year.  Tebows wins are buying him time... to learn to be a QB...

[tufsu1]

Of course, a win's a win. We'll see if he can keep translating. And it doesn't do the Jags a blind bit of good, and I for one remain skeptical enough of Tebow that I'm content to have passed him over to build up our defense.

this is the key point that all the Jacksonville Tebow lovers conveniently forget....we used our early round drraft picks in 2010 on defense...and the defense is much improved because of it!