Jacksonville mayor comes out against new toll road

[fieldafm]

I'm all for public/private partnerships but who is the private entity?

It is my understanding it's a company created for and by FDOT.  Spinning off a private company solely to put public funds into it, isn't a public/private partnership... that's called a farce.

Whether you like this project or not, this doesn't sound to me like a project that is moving forward.

The fact that there are big green signs on the side of I-10 just off the Whitehouse exit ready to be put up with the words 'outer beltway' printed on them, would lead me to believe this thing is going to get built come hell or high water.

[tufsu1]

Whether you like this project or not, this doesn't sound to me like a project that is moving forward.

good luck w/ that

and as to field's comments, those signs should (and likely will) say Cecil Commerce Center Parkway...note the signs they put up a few years ago said something different....and then CCCP (not Russia ) was bolted on

[Dashing Dan]

Given what has happened in the past day or two why would anyone at FDOT be willing to stake his or her career on the successful implementation of this project?  I'm sure there will be many avid supporters, but who would be willing to take the lead?  It's just too risky!

[Ralph W]

You want to slow down suburban sprawl? Just get some legislator to push through a bill forbidding exit points on the belt way. Get on or get off only at the I-10 or I-95 interchange. 

[tufsu1]

Given what has happened in the past day or two why would anyone at FDOT be willing to stake his or her career on the successful implementation of this project?  I'm sure there will be many avid supporters, but who would be willing to take the lead?  It's just too risky!

The Secretary of FDOT for one....and just about every politician in northeast Florida....keep in mind even the Mayor says he likes the road, just not the tolls.

[north miami]

You want to slow down suburban sprawl? Just get some legislator to push through a bill forbidding exit points on the belt way. Get on or get off only at the I-10 or I-95 interchange. 

Ralph W , substantive post.

Legislators Jim King was a buddy of one of the raw land investors who would usher " The Farm" to Oak Leaf.
FDOT Brannan Chaffee Federal COE and Water Management permit proceedings relied on Trust For Public Lands/Tallahassee for decidedly weak hearted dealings with The Farm.

for the longest time the concern was not so much the immediate impacts of Brannon Chaffee roadway footprint et al (handily addressed via Senate Bill 98; natural lands mitigation.....) but rather the secondary impacts ( even though mitigated,negotiated....)
Brannan Chaffee wetland impacts mitigated/98 yet we had to carefully monitor mitigation parcel choices......by rule the parcel could have been anywhere within a broad Basin system.Politically way off limits were immediate Corridor lands such as the 1900 acre Trust For Public Lands Game & Fish Commission parcel.

Ralph W what you describe would be true "limited access"...........and true limited access to "inevitable" newly vested corridor development which after all is a key reasonable and assumed driver.

Can anyone here name Florida Limited Access facility that was,by rule,oriented primarily towards core roadbed function,safeguards against corridor secondary impacts.

[north miami]

Given what has happened in the past day or two why would anyone at FDOT be willing to stake his or her career on the successful implementation of this project?  I'm sure there will be many avid supporters, but who would be willing to take the lead?  It's just too risky!

Way too much Sunshine for some.

Everything is a wee bit different now.

[north miami]

from the JAXUSA Partnership (formerly Cornerstone) e-newsletter....nice spin!

Outer Beltway Receives City and State Support
The First Coast Outer Beltway project began about 10 years ago and quickly picked up speed with the commitment to build a high-speed interchange at I-10 and Cecil Field. Some of the original construction was developed along the way. return on investment for those private funds.

help us avoid congestion in the decades to come.

Spin indeed,carefully crafted no matter how erroneous.

I miss Cornerstone......Jax Chamber/Clay Entity has also jumped in to a fox hole.

".....some of the original construction ...developed along the way....." That's a Spin Out.
The reference is to "Stand Alone" FDOT Brannon Chaffee and under separate post when I can get to the file I will share Permit Number and you can have at it.

" help".     " avoid".      "congestion"       Perfectly positioned for public interest legal challenge.

[Dashing Dan]

Given what has happened in the past day or two why would anyone at FDOT be willing to stake his or her career on the successful implementation of this project?  I'm sure there will be many avid supporters, but who would be willing to take the lead?  It's just too risky!

The Secretary of FDOT for one....and just about every politician in northeast Florida....keep in mind even the Mayor says he likes the road, just not the tolls.

The Secretary isn't going to make this project his own, and local politicians don't work for FDOT.  Every project needs a champion, and this project is an orphan.  Plenty of uncles but no daddy.

[tufsu1]

trust me DD....you're way off-base on this one

[thelakelander]

I just ran into Alan Mosley at Chamblins, about 30 minutes ago, while getting my daily cup of coffee.  He looked pretty sharp, said hello, shook my hand, told me to say hello to the boss and disappeared into the bookstore.

[Dashing Dan]

trust me DD....you're way off-base on this one

Time will tell.

[ChriswUfGator]

trust me DD....you're way off-base on this one

So what do we do to fix that?

[Dashing Dan]

My view is that unless somebody "fixes" something, this project isn't going anywhere. 

It also appears to me that tufsu doesn't think there is anything that needs to be "fixed," so let's leave it at that.

[fieldafm]

Every project needs a champion, and this project is an orphan.

If you don't think the Lt Governor(a Fleming Island resident) isn't a HUGE supporter of this road, then you need to start paying more attention. 

From what I have heard, there are all kinds of uncles, dads and grandfathers in the kitchen cooking the turkey getting ready for Thanksgiving dinner... and I'm not anywhere near connected as TuFSU is.

I mean there are highway signs already fronting the words 'outer beltway' just ready to be erected on I-10 for heaven's sake.