Jacksonville Landing Says Garage Not Enough

[Garden guy]

GG there are bureaucracies that are inherent in many big businesses. So even if parking isn't an issue, their check list says something like we require 300 dedicated spots so if the Landing doesn't have those spots they just look elsewhere without doing some parking investigation.

Thank you Jeff...there are so many other issues this city has i just hate to see nonissues taking cash when there is none...

[JeffreyS]

Agreed the city has plenty of spaces now it could just tag for the Landing without any investment and live up to the deal it made in 1987.

[jcjohnpaint]

There is no single answer but if the place is to remain a retail/entertainment center (the lease is still in effect for several more decades from my understanding), then dedicated parking certainly plays a role in any type of redevelopment scheme.  With that said, regardless of how we personally feel about parking, the city made a committment that hasn't been fulfilled since the place opened in the 1980s.  At what point do you officially not decide to live up to the promises that were originally made to get the place built and what will be the impact of being known as a public government that reniges on multimillion dollar deals with the private sector?

You know as much as I would like to say this place is mismanaged (which I believe it is), you are right.  The city should come through on what it promised.  It sure wouldn't hurt the situation. 

[fieldafm]

let someone in there that's easy to work with and someone with modern ideas

In regards to working with and incentivizing new, innovative tenants... you are not even in the universe of being correct.

You know what the real issue is downtown on a macro level, the quote from Stephen Joost 'well, we have to do something'.  Doing something for the sake of doing something(as Mr Joost is advocating), and simply doing something right the first time are worlds apart.

what will be the impact of being known as a public government that reniges on multimillion dollar deals with the private sector?

bingo

[cline]

I say just give him the parking so we don't have to listen to Sleiman's excuses about why all the national tenants he has lined up are holding out due to lack of dedicated parking.  Once the parking is secured the floodgates will open and all the Fuddruckers of the world will be moving to The Landing within a month I'm sure.   

[tufsu1]

quote from the article

"The bill adopted Tuesday offered a developer, Parador Partners, a $3.5 million grant for building a garage along Hogan Street, between Bay and Water streets. The company owns the nearby SunTrust Building and wants to lease some spaces to building tenants.

It could also meet the Landing's night and weekend quota and open 200 weekday spots for shoppers. But Barcelo said the location doesn't meet the needs of the top-grade mall tenants the Landing seeks."

so...the deal for the lot adjacent to the Omni from last year was acceptable....but the location of this one (actually closer to the Landing) doesn't meet the locational needs of potential tenants?

I'm calling BS here

[duvaldude08]

Why does it seem like everything Tony is lying about national chaines requiring deticated parking. THEY DO. Its not an excuse, its actually the truth. And truth be told I dont go to the Landing much because of the parking. From a consumer perspective, its much easier and less of a headache when there is deticated parking. I dont have much patience, so driving around trying to find somewhere to park just to go in to get some cookies is too much.

Pointblank...The city needs to honor its part of the deal. Had they honored back in 1987, the Landing probably would be more sucessful that what it is. This shows how backwards our city is. When parking becomes a debate, we have a problem. Lets wait and see what the new adminstration can make of this.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Hard to believe we are still talking about this. People wonder why DT cant move forward. I wonder what other cities similar to Jax would  have done about a situation like this?

[cline]

Why does it seem like everything Tony is lying about national chaines requiring deticated parking. THEY DO. Its not an excuse, its actually the truth.

Well then once the dedicated parking is established we should expect to start seeing a bunch of new tenants right?  I'll be waiting.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Maybe in the next 20 yrs. Thats how we roll here in Jax.

[duvaldude08]

Why does it seem like everything Tony is lying about national chaines requiring deticated parking. THEY DO. Its not an excuse, its actually the truth.

Well then once the dedicated parking is established we should expect to start seeing a bunch of new tenants right?  I'll be waiting.

That's all we can do it wait.

[fsujax]

Where is the Mayor on this one? He needs to begin to start delivering on Downtown promises. I am not going to have much patience with him on this promise! I am also beginning to believe Tony is jerking us around. I really do not believe he has any national tenants lined up!

[cline]

I am also beginning to believe Tony is jerking us around. I really do not believe he has any national tenants lined up!

No way!  He's got Fuddrucker's lined up. 

[thelakelander]

Why does it seem like everything Tony is lying about national chaines requiring deticated parking. THEY DO. Its not an excuse, its actually the truth.

Well then once the dedicated parking is established we should expect to start seeing a bunch of new tenants right?  I'll be waiting.

Better yet, we would have lived up to our end of the deal and moved on.

[thelakelander]

I am also beginning to believe Tony is jerking us around. I really do not believe he has any national tenants lined up!

Probably so, but does it matter when it comes to the city living up to the end of its deal?  I mean, I know people hate Sleiman but this goes back to the Rouse days.  The jeri curl was still in style and the Avenues hadn't even broken ground when the city initially promised dedicated parking for the Landing.  Its time to live up to our end and move on.