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4th of July Shooting

Started by downtownduval, July 05, 2011, 07:46:07 PM

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Shwaz

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July 06, 2011, 12:49:50 PM Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 12:55:03 PM by Shwaz
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on July 06, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
And there aren't usually shootings downtown either.   I used to live in Jax Beach. It isn't crime free either.

No where is crime free Debbie... but ignoring a documented problem or discounting because the crimes aren't being committed by actual residents is just making it worse.


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Debbie Thompson

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July 06, 2011, 01:10:21 PM
Actual residents, downtown visitors, no matter.  There is not a big problem with shootings downtown.   Do you hear of a bunch of them on the news?  I don't. 

I do remember one where some guy was found shot dead in a driveway in North Jax Beach awhile ago, not far from where we lived.  Rapes on the beach have been reported.  And the crowd cruising 1st Street on the weekends are not all beach dwellers.

In other words, the "huge crime problem" downtown is as much your "perception problem" as an "actual problem" and, while I don't walk around downtown by myself, I wouldn't walk around Jax Beach by myself either.  Because of the reported rapes on the beach, I was afraid to walk on the beach at night when we lived there, my favorite time, as I ddn't feel safe.

Crime is not downtown specific, and the Beach is not a safe haven from violent crime.  "Nuff said.

Coolyfett

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July 06, 2011, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: downtownduval on July 05, 2011, 07:46:07 PM
Last night after the festivities Downtown a fight occurred that lead to a young man dying and another two wounded. The times reported have varied but between 11 and 12 (well after the fireworks) the incident occurred.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-07-05/story/1-shot-following-fireworks-dies-2-other-victims-released-hosptal

Once again we are hearing how dangerous downtown is and how the gangs run rampant and so on. I have a hard time believing this had anything to do the people living in actual downtown.  Unfortunately, every time something like this happens everyone is quick to go back to how dangerous downtown can be. It drives me crazy to hear all these people who know everything about Downtown but only visit once or twice a year. Crime occurs everywhere it's a fact of life. When you have crowds of people you are bound to have a few problems. I hope we can find ways to eliminate these issues in the future it's just a shame it had to happen.

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Coolyfett

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July 06, 2011, 01:59:57 PM
One thing I know for sure is criminals, low lifes, thugs, goons etc etc, LOVE crowds. Its very easy for them to blend in. But lets narrow this down to Northbank. that is the side the Landing is on. Knowing Jax the way I do if anything was to go down the Northbank blocks would be such an easy bet. Thats the area the bad guys would go to. So saying its a downtown thing is false. Its a North Bank issue. South Bank never ever has these issues. Riverside rarely has them either. Makes you think huh? People (Media) need to start specifying the differences between the two areas instead of lumping the two together, that way people would still fell safe in the normally safer areas of the core. Its not fair for South Bank community to be lumped in the DOWNTOWN problem.
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Shwaz

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July 06, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on July 06, 2011, 01:10:21 PM
Actual residents, downtown visitors, no matter.  There is not a big problem with shootings downtown.   Do you hear of a bunch of them on the news?  I don't. 

I do remember one where some guy was found shot dead in a driveway in North Jax Beach awhile ago, not far from where we lived.  Rapes on the beach have been reported.  And the crowd cruising 1st Street on the weekends are not all beach dwellers.

In other words, the "huge crime problem" downtown is as much your "perception problem" as an "actual problem" and, while I don't walk around downtown by myself, I wouldn't walk around Jax Beach by myself either.  Because of the reported rapes on the beach, I was afraid to walk on the beach at night when we lived there, my favorite time, as I ddn't feel safe.

Crime is not downtown specific, and the Beach is not a safe haven from violent crime.  "Nuff said.

I totally agree that this is in fact a perception problem because it contributes to the issues keeping people from coming DT and it also keeps DT from reaching its potential as a destination.

On any normal day / night I feel completely safe walking through downtown.... during events I do not because that's when these violent crimes ARE prevalent.
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