2010-856- Transient Vendors in Jacksonville

[ChriswUfGator]

John Nooney has done more for the waterways of Jacksonville in the last decade outside anyone with a last name of Orthe or Armingeon.  

He is at every waterways commission meeting and virtually every city council meeting.  He has brought an impressive collection of city leaders(regardless of party position) out paddling on Hogans Creek.  He has been a tireless promoter of public access to our waterways, which is an unimaginabely thankless task.  His engagement with anyone standing in his path about waterway access is beyond reproach.  If you don't agree with his choice for mayor, so be it.  

But to tell a man that devotes untold hours to waterway issues that you aren't taking him seriously simply means you are squarely part of the problem, not the solution.

I am not a supporter of either person for mayor in this election.  I want to emphasize that to the tenth degree.  But to be fair, Mike Hogan has mentioned public access to waterways several times to sportsman groups over the course of this election.  I haven't heard Alvin Brown say that.  Perhaps he has and I just haven't heard it.  If he has, perhaps someone can post that up.  I did personally ask him once, and he said that we have to take a 'holistic approach' to downtown development... which didn't answer my question.  We do in fact have something(Downtown Master Plan) and it specifically addresses the Hogans Greenbelt and public river access.  

Yes, the same downtown master plan Hogan slammed in his latest commercial, you mean?

Awesome! Makes total sense.

As for Noone, his voting philosophies do as much to harm his own cause as anything. Going to waterways meetings for public input sessions that are almost universally ignored is, while laudable on the basis of principal, hardly enough to make up for knowingly electing the candidate who plainly admitted he won't spend a dime on this stuff.

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[fieldafm]

He has said one of his priorities would be more public access to waterways.  He was on a sportsman radio show recently where he mentioned that if budget realities allowed, that more boat ramps and navigable dredging of tributaries leading to boat ramps(the Cedar River was mentioned) would be ideal.  Families need more public access to enjoy the river, was a specific quote.  He also mentioned the need for easier/better freshwater and saltwater fishing opportunities.

Again, not supporting Hogans efforts... nor Browns.  Just telling you what I have heard him say.  My opinion is that to hear Hogan say anything specific, at least makes your ears perk up b/c he wouldn't just mention something publicly without it actually be something that would be in his administration's purview.

I do not agree with Hogan's stance on downtown(well 70% of it anyway), in the interest of full disclosure.

[fieldafm]

Going to waterways meetings for public input sessions that are almost universally ignored is, while laudable on the basis of principal, hardly enough to make up for knowingly electing the candidate who plainly admitted he won't spend a dime on this stuff.

How many city leaders have you engaged on the issue?  How many city employees have you taken out for a tour of the urban waterways?  How many times have you spoke to media people and gotten them to publish stories on waterway access?  How many state leaders have you engaged on the issue?

Doing nothing but sitting back and complaining is not a solution.

[Bativac]

Field, thanks for shedding a little light on why Noone seems to be blindly steadfast (does that make sense?) in his support of Mike Hogan. Noone I'd love to take you up on paddling Hogans Creek as soon as work lets up on the leash a little.

I think I agree with you, Field, in that I am not supporting either candidate at this point. I feel like my vote will be "against" one of the two versus "for" either guy, and I still haven't made up my mind. You've at least given me something else to consider.

[ChriswUfGator]

Going to waterways meetings for public input sessions that are almost universally ignored is, while laudable on the basis of principal, hardly enough to make up for knowingly electing the candidate who plainly admitted he won't spend a dime on this stuff.

How many city leaders have you engaged on the issue?  How many city employees have you taken out for a tour of the urban waterways?  How many times have you spoke to media people and gotten them to publish stories on waterway access?  How many state leaders have you engaged on the issue?

Doing nothing but sitting back and complaining is not a solution.

How many have you?

I'm not sitting back and complaining. I'm voting for Brown, specifically because Hogan stated he won't spend a dime on anything downtown, which would necessarily include the urban waterways Noone supports. This whole thing is silly.

[cline]

As for Noone, his voting philosophies do as much to harm his own cause as anything. Going to waterways meetings for public input sessions that are almost universally ignored is, while laudable on the basis of principal, hardly enough to make up for knowingly electing the candidate who plainly admitted he won't spend a dime on this stuff.

+1

Real change begins when we stop voting in the wrong people and voting in the right ones.  We have an opportunity to do that this month.  Hogan represents complacency and potential regression for our City.  Is that what we want?  

[Noone]

The May 11, 2011 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting was another eye opener and how will it be reported to the people of Jacksonville.

Lets start with the April 13, 2011 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting minutes and my hats off to John J. Jackson with the Council Research Division that does an excellant job in capturing the minutes so we will be in compliance with the Sunshine in Florida.

At the meeting was John Crescimbeni,Bill Bishop,Don Redman all city council members. Commissioners included Gary Anderson, Lane Burnet, Caryn Carreiro, Edward Fleming, Scott Shine, Stephen Swann, OGC Kristina Nelson,Dr. Quinton White and Dr. Gerard Pinto with JU, Captain James Suber Waterways Coordinator, David Kaufman, Jaxport, Derek Busby,Geoffrey Sample with SJRWD, Gary Weise,, Dana Morton, Vince Seibold with Environmental Compliance Department, Neil Armingeon St. Johns Riverkeeper, Michael Swain, Susan Stewart, Ralph Hodges, Rob Winslow, W.T. Mauldin,JSO, Genevieve Fletcher, Doug Skiles, John Nooney, Tom Ingram, Joe Wilhelm with FNDR, Ron Littlepage with TU.

First up on the agenda was Edward Lukacovic PWS,Senior Environmental Planner, Planning & Development Department. He gave presentations on Land Use Amendments on
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He did an excellant job and who is not going to vote no when it comes to Conservation.

As Mr. Lukacovic and other people that were with him were getting ready to leave Mr. Crescimbeni informed the Commission that a piece of legislation that was up for a Public hearing at the previous nights city council meeting was directed by council President Webb to be taken up the next day in Waterways and to councilman Crescimbeni's credit that is what he did. So a shout out to Mr. Lukacovic still in the audience brought him back up to the podium and the fireworks began.

The legislation is 2011-239 and they also took up 2011-240 which was not directed by council president Webb but being that it was just luck (or was it) and coincidence that you  had the Planning Dept with their recommendations on these Land Use Amendments standing there.

I don't want to spoon feed everyone on these pieces of legislation but some of these pieces of legislation are abutting the National Parks, State Parks, Preservation Parks, Tera Meeks was there and spoke to some of the concerns that Commission members are now asking and scratching their heads. And that is a good thing. Remember Tera is brand new. Kelley Boree was absent as was Jody McDaniel are they retiring?

Palms Creek Fish Camp- Who deserves the promotion?
                                    Who deserves to be fired? This is a disater and needs to be resolved before Hogan or Brown takes office. This wasn't discussed at Waterways but I'm throwing it out there.

But back to the thread 2010-856 and a one mile ban of a transient vendor. I'm a volunteer citizen on a committee reporting back to councilmembers Lee, Bishop, and my elected legislative representative Don Redman and the purpose of the committee is to seek amendments that will ultimately be attached to this still active piece of legislation.

Field, Thanks for the kind words. NM- Onward. That word just makes me think of Howard Solomon.
Looking forward to kayaking with you guys.

But just ask where will you be allowed to participate.

Ricker you still out there? The Jacksonville Marina Mile.

The next meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission will be very interesting. We will have new leadership.

I pleaded with the Commission members to introduce legislation that would keep the Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier separate. Shipyards III

I also reached out and invited each commisioner to paddle Hogans Creek.

The state of Florida is watching.

Be concerned and keep score.








   

[Noone]

Field, thanks for shedding a little light on why Noone seems to be blindly steadfast (does that make sense?) in his support of Mike Hogan. Noone I'd love to take you up on paddling Hogans Creek as soon as work lets up on the leash a little.

I think I agree with you, Field, in that I am not supporting either candidate at this point. I feel like my vote will be "against" one of the two versus "for" either guy, and I still haven't made up my mind. You've at least given me something else to consider.

Bativac, Give me a call 904-434-0839 and I'll share some more concerns that I have and why I'm supporting Hogan. Can't wait to take you on the water and you can tell me if we will be saying Visit Jacksonville!

[Noone]

I just wanted to take this time and finish the agenda of the May 11, 2011 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting. After the Land Use Amendments next on the agenda was Georgia-Pacific Pipeline Issues.

The Representative with the Florida Dept. of Environmental Protection had to cancel. Our St. Johns Riverkeeper Neil Armingeon was there and it was tabled. Neil during Public comment spoke about the recent approval of the permit that would allow JEA to draw down water from the aquifer. He mentioned that former Commission member Ed Grey would ask JEA to address the commission on certain issues and this would definitely have qualified.

Dr. Pinto indicated that they had seen 95 manatees in our local waters. That's cool.

The highlight of the meeting for me was the guest appearance by Vivian Harrell with Keep Jacksonville Beautiful. She gave a presentation about the March 19 city wide cleanup and mentioned Hogans Creek. A special shout out goes to Capt. Zissou, Peejayess, Mueller, Field, Keith Myers, Doug and Jacob Skiles, Lucas JJ. I feel like I'm missing someone. You guys really made it happen.

[Noone]

Congratulations to Mayor elect Alvin Brown.

City council meeting in 11 hours. Attended Ethics commission meeting yesterday and everyone should be concerned about two pieces of legislation making its way through council 2011- 167 and 2011-197. The federal conviction of Tony Nelson was mentioned at the meeting. Thats a plus. Restore the Public Trust. Its been destroyed.

2010-856 is still active and the Waterways of the St. Johns River our American Heritage River needs to be exempt from this legislation.

DIA, DDA, DEA will it be DOA?

Tonight at council be concerned about
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The state of Florida is watching.

[Noone]

At the May 24th Jacksonville city council meeting I had the opportunity to meet Mayor elect Alvin Brown and ask him if he would like to kayak Hogans Creek in the future. We were walking out of council chambers and he was heading to the elevators. He said to check with David Roman who was walking with him.

I hope it happens.

[north miami]

At the May 24th Jacksonville city council meeting I had the opportunity to meet Mayor elect Alvin Brown and ask him if he would like to kayak Hogans Creek in the future. We were walking out of council chambers and he was heading to the elevators. He said to check with David Roman who was walking with him.

I hope it happens.

This is a great aspect of MJ,recounts of events,hallway conversations.

Noone you will likely make it happen.
please remind us of the names of those you have recently introduced to Hogans Creek;Council
members,candidates,Downtown boosters,even someone from Orlando I recall?

[ChriswUfGator]

Make it happen?

I'm still waiting on my explanation of how Noone can with a straight face continue to expect anybody to take this seriously, given his teabagger political leanings and strong support of Mike Hogan, especially given what Hogan's buddy and endorser Rick Scott just managed to accomplish this week, namely vetoing the hard-fought $10mm that the legislature appropriated for the Saint Johns River restoration;

http://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=533685

He slashed $12 million in funding for the National Veteran’s Homeless Support Group, $10 million for the restoration of the St. Johns River and $6 million in economic aid for the Panhandle in the wake of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster.

Meanwhile, Noone is on here daily crying about the River, while he runs around drumming up support for the causes of the same problems he complains of. When someone isn't willing to act with the courage of their own convictions, including on voting day, then I have no sympathy for their complaints after the fact. Stephen Dare and I have repeatedly pointed this out and asked him to rethink his position, which he ignored.

Thankfully, despite Noone's best efforts, Brown won the local election anyway. So, ironically, Noone might actually get some of the things he wants, despite himself. Unfortunately, that was too late to prevent his party screwing him, and the rest of us, out of the St. Johns River cleanup funds. Moving forward, I would again ask for a reasoned explanation of his political support for the same people causing the very problems he is asking the rest of us to participate in addressing, and/or a rethinking of his political position.

And, before Field and the rest of the silly "What have YOU done?" peanut gallery show up to claim that going on kayak rides while drumming up votes for the cause of the problem is somehow an effective solution, I should point out that this issue impacts me personally. I live directly on the St. Johns, and often wake up to a 2' high pile of rancid crap and bacterial foam built up on my seawall, plus whatever happens to get blown into my yard that I pick up. I've picked up more disgusting crap from the River than the rest of you silly weekend-warriors combined. It's disgusting;



And it's not like the rest of us have exactly kept silent about what was going to happen, have we?

So one more time; How can you support the cause of this ongoing problem, and then expect anyone to care about these calls to action that you post on MJ? I still cannot come close to understanding this contradiction.

[north miami]

For decades study after certified study identified Citizen concern and interest in The River and Environment.

And here we are!

What done happened??

[Noone]

Anybody going to the unveiling of the most recent JCCI study in 12 days?  Its called Recession, Recovery, and Beyond. How will the river be addressed?

Stephen went by to see you yesterday on 8Th st. to talk to you about the demolition of the duplex next to Hogans Creek and the recent issue of a gator permit at the Maxwell House Plant, the trolley street car pole. Is it or isn't it. anyway, I hope the move is because you have already grown out of that space and need more.

Chris, Lets go kayaking on Hogans Creek. 904-721-3321 that's my home number, lets Make it Happen. I'm serious.

Our country is broke, our state is broke, our city is broke. Chris, I'll always remember sitting in a meeting and politicians throwing out numbers for various groups and just the magnitude and non chalont expectation that every group will get more of our taxpayer dollars and that the real work and effort that needs to happen. Won't.

The $10,000,000 for the river. I'll be honest I'm not exactly sure what the exact breakdown was for that. If you do and want to share it I'd like to know more. I keep coming back to the local issues. Want to put that $10,000,000 back for restoration? Start with Shipyards. Just our county alone got ripped off $36,500,000. That's taxpayer dollars gone and that was right on our river. We don't have to rip Scott lets rip ourselves for that one. Our St. Johns River our American Heritage River. And I'm not going to let it go. The taxpayers of Jacksonville got ripped off.

We don't have a funding crisis we have a spending crisis.

There are so many examples. The Public Trust has just been totally crushed in this community.

Chris, Help me with this one. Have you been to Hogans Creek? On May 13Th a demolition permit was issued for 627 Washington St. B11437138. The demolition to this 1959 concrete two story duplex with 1400 sq' and a $35,587 assessed value was totally gone. Perfectly legal and for what ever reason the owner decided to do it now. His money-His decision.

Lets now contrast that with Palms Creek Fish camp. I'm just generalizing right now but basically the city took this place over from someone. In a previous administration with people in different leadership roles and some private entity took it over and just recently the city shut them down. So what we now have is a situation where we will have a lawsuit. The city will pay the owners, OK WAG's can be made. I'm going to go with over a million bucks of taxpayer money and ultimately some 501-c will come in and save the day. Who deserves the promotion? Who deserves to be fired?

Remember this. 2010-856 is still an active piece of legislation and councilwoman Denise Lee is still seeking amendments that can be attached to 2010-856. One amendment should be to exempt the Waterways of our St. Johns River our American Heritage River. Remember there is a public boat ramp component to this next door permanent structure.