Delores Weaver now backs Brown for Jacksonville mayor

[Timkin]

thank you for sharing your thoughts , Diane.

[Diane Melendez]

I am not going to argue your logic Stephen because many of your points are valid and a result of our differing personal perspective on some issues, like the Peyton legacy.  

All things are possible in the world of politics.  I will just say that the Hogan campaign has not taken anything for granted and are working aggressively for votes in all areas.  I personally just don't see any possible way for Alvin to gain the name recognition in a few short weeks that the Mike Hogan family has earned over the decades.  The Moran name is also well known in Jacksonville.  Brown is still mostly an unknown.

[Diane Melendez]

Thanks for your words Stephen.  You posted faster than I did in my last response.     I don't mind a spar now and then, but not all the time.  Not anymore.  LOL

[ChriswUfGator]

Stephen, I honestly don't know the answer to that question.  I was not privy to Mr. Hogans thinking back then.  I do know that some of the discussion as of late has been way off base.  One stubborn meme is this thing about Hogan not wanting the Jaguars.  That is not true.  What he voted against was the way the piece of legislation was drafted no the team.  The legislation did not have the protections for taxpayers he thought it should.  However he has publically stated his support for the Jaguars on many occasions as well as lauded the Weavers for their generosity in the community..  He sees them as an asset to Jacksonville.  Another notions is that he does not embrace cultural activities.  Not true.  He knows and has told me personally how important the arts are to a thriving city.  Another non truth is that he does not support local history or preservation.  Not true at all.  His family is one of the first in Duval and history here is paramount to him.  Then there is this nonsense about not caring about the river or environment.  He has already reached out to the office of the riverkeeper and asked to meet with various individuals associated with the effort to heal the St. Johns. 

I get that it is easier to oppose a candidate that is painted in a negative fashion, but in many cases what is being promoted about Mr. Hogan is inaccurate.  For instance, I have seen no one come forward with one of the innumerable stories of Mike Hogans personal efforts to feed the hungry, get clothing to the needy.  Nor has there been mention of the many times he stood side by side with members of various charitable organizations to raise funding or him using his position in the community to get food, clothing and Christmas gifts for those in Jacksonville who needed it.  Those stories are not going out because he is not bragging about them. 

Yes he is the tax collector.  That is his job.  But he did not set the tax rate or decide the amounts to be collected.  That was a function of past city administrations and legislatures.  He did share with me during a conversation that it was the many notes and emails he recieved over the years included with tax payments that helped move him toward a run for office.  He was listening and still is. 

Well aside from that one thing, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

[Kiva]

Moran's voters will reluctantly choose Alvin.  Or they will stay home.

But Alvin's win is a big inspiration to his base.

If he reaches out to the southside, he wins.

I know several people (including me) who voted Moran because they thought she had the best chance of beating Hogan, but are now enthusiastically behind Alvin. I don't see any reluctance there.

[mtraininjax]

Make downtown the issue, make downtown the issue. He'll lose the southside if he does this. Glover made downtown a major issue and lost to Peyton. As downtown loses more and more voters, since there are only a couple of thousand residents there, there are not enough critical masses to vote downtown. Only when it costs more to live/work in the burbs, will downtown come back into view, this is simple economics. We still have too much available land in Jacksonville.

[ChriswUfGator]

This is exactly why I have believed for the past 3 years de-consolidation is needed to put this place back together.

Let the independent parts seek their own self-interest

[spuwho]

The Gate interests are vast.  They just are.

And John's time in office has solidified the Gate Empire, not weakened it. 

The real wildcard in this election is whose voters stay home for the runoff.

I think Mullaney's older voters will go with mike. Most of them will stay home.  There was a lot of ethnic diversity in Mullaney's support base, and Hogan's people are pretty off putting to that crowd.  Will Hogan, for example, pull any of the filipino businessmen who supported Mullaney?

I dont think so.  In fact, I know for a fact that at least three of his main supporters in the Filipino community are not voting Hogan.

Mullaney's younger voters will be divided, with the lion's share staying home.

The catholic conservatives will vote for Hogan.

But the students and children of the wealthy will vote Alvin.

Moran's voters will reluctantly choose Alvin.  Or they will stay home.

But Alvin's win is a big inspiration to his base.

If he reaches out to the southside, he wins.

Isn't it great to have your vote predicted by association?

[ChriswUfGator]

Well if it's any consolation, Stephen is usually a lot more accurate than any scientifically conducted poll I've seen.

That said, and I've told him this, Hogan unfortunately is the next mayor of Jacksonville. He gets the redneck vote.

[mtraininjax]

He gets the redneck vote.

Quite a slap in the face to our suburbs.

[ChriswUfGator]

He gets the redneck vote.

Quite a slap in the face to our suburbs.

Maybe. I notice you didn't say 'untrue' though, lol...

[mtraininjax]

Maybe. I notice you didn't say 'untrue' though, lol...

It does take all kinds of people to make the world go 'round, fo show!

[Jaxson]

He gets the redneck vote.

Quite a slap in the face to our suburbs.

Maybe. I notice you didn't say 'untrue' though, lol...

It's only a slap in the face to the suburbs if you make one of two assumptions:
1. That 'rednecks' only live in the suburbs.  There are plenty of rednecks who live in the urban core.
2. That 'redneck' is some code word for 'suburb.'  I do not think that the above poster was tagging all of Deermeadows or Baymeadows as white trash, but do believe that there are some good ol' boys who reside in the remaining rural sections of Duval County who would rather watch a Sex in the City marathon while supping on a Mai Tai (or Cosmopolitan) than put Alvin Brown in the mayor's office...

[ChriswUfGator]

Well "redneck" is a bit more nuanced than just location...

There is often an excessively large pickup truck involved too.

[tufsu1]

Check the financial reports when they come out Friday.  That should be an indicator of what is to become of votes given to other candidates.  John Peyton was against Hogan first over the police and fire and now because of his ideas about city finances.  His daddy backed Mullaney, now Mullaney has put his support behind Hogan.  I think the Peyton influence has become very weak through Johns time in office, his dads advanced age and the state of global economics.

why...clearly the candidates raising the most cash didn't win in the first race?