Hardware Store in Five Points

[ricker]

Amen praise Jesus!
"slow motion nephews"
rotflmfao
the ire within rises when they open their mouths to tell you what you already know...
agreeeeeed Dog Walker. great wealth of kindly dispensed knowledge on the gunnery in St. Nic' ...
Given the current (huge) inventory of existing homes in varying (mild) stages of disrepair throughout the entire area south of McCoy Creek = smart. very smart.
Any word on the $70,000+ fire suppression system required in the overhead of the 2nd floor of the masive space?

[triclops i]

The rent is in the $4000 a month range. Sadly it will probably remain vacant for a long time....

[mtraininjax]

I have a box of nails to help, just let me know.

[Ocklawaha]

I have a box of nails to help, just let me know.

+1

Hey mtrain, I've got a box full of old faucets that I'll toss in too.

What northeast Florida REALLY NEEDS is a decent model railroad store like every other city in the state already has. Hell maybe Ocala could send us one of their 3 or 4, or Pensacola's 2, or Orlando's 2 or 3 or Tampa's 3 or 4 or...  One has to wonder why the railroad capital of the South, a city reputed to have as many retired railroaders, train nuts and modelers as Los Angeles doesn't have one single shop??

For what it's worth, duplicating the old Peterson's model wouldn't be a bad plan either because matter of FACT that store was freaking AWESOME!

OCKLAWAHA

[Garden guy]

Someone call Curry Thomas and get them to move in there...or how about a co-op..that space could serve the area in many ways. For me it was always a 5 & dime.."Petersons"..good luck...it's a big space and the owner doesn't have alot of cash for the updates. It may just sit and rot...if it falls can we put a garden in it's place?

[ChriswUfGator]

IIRC, the whole reason Fuel closed in the first place was because the owner refused to do any repairs (place was absolutely falling apart...and still is!) and had jacked up the rent to a completely unmanageable amount. Every time someone has been interested in that space since they ran Fuel off, they almost die of asphyxiation from the 3 solid days of belly-laughing when they hear what the owner wants for rent. Until they come back down to earth, I'd look for another space.

[lowlyplanner]

Fuel went under because they couldn't pay their rent (which was very low and couldn't be raised for another 5 years due to the lease).  I think the operator may have sunk all his capital into Raglands.

Under a typical commercial lease, the building owner is responsible for the foundation, exterior walls and roof.  Everything else is on the tenant.

The asking rent of $4,000 for a 5,000 square foot space is the lowest rate per square foot in the neighborhood.  The space is just 4 times as big as anything else available.  It does seem to need some work, clearly.

[Dog Walker]

As a commercial space landlord myself, I can tell you that this is spot on.  The challenge is going to be to find a tenant who can afford the interior re-modeling and has a business that will support the cost and the rent.

Under a typical commercial lease, the building owner is responsible for the foundation, exterior walls and roof.  Everything else is on the tenant.

The asking rent of $4,000 for a 5,000 square foot space is the lowest rate per square foot in the neighborhood.  The space is just 4 times as big as anything else available.  It does seem to need some work, clearly.

[ricker]

Am I the only one who's heard that an auto museum may take over the space?
I like the idea of a car barn.
Aparrently the chump has bucks.
his plans show cars mounted on wall racks. like a rug store.
this obviously requires a full interior gut. and lift.
Per the agent assisting the collector, he's serious.
think Robb Report quality rolling stock displayed like fine garments hung in a jewler's case of a warehouse/loft/ parlor.
How about roof access.
I imagine such a transition (IF a hardware store cannot prevail)_ would continue the dimenuendo into residential sleepiness regarding the vehicular traffic for the residents of the immediate area - with less constant in and out retail oriented traffic which would have the tendency to be less chaotic with the arrival of such a presence on the block.
This fellow owns over 71 collectibles which have been hidden away.
From what I understand he's hoping to offset the cost of his maintenance.
i hear he'd hoped to build  3 storey structure by the rail line at WillowBranch.
but dirt and demo blew his mind - and would blow his wad.
Thoughts?

[Garden guy]

Auto museum in 5 points? Are you kidding us? What a ridiculous idea. This is what this are doesn't need. Some rich guy pores his cash into the area and then leaves because no ones coming into his "museum" aka "I'm rich..come look at my collection"...why doesn't he just throw his money away and screw us all now so we can get to something that's going to be apart of the life in 5 points..."WE DESERVE BETTER". A car museum...how depressing.

[SunKing]

It actually was a 5&10 for many years but think the Fans&Stoves location would make a better hardware store as it has more parking.  There used to be a PicNSave at the North end of San Marco and they had everything you needed.

[ricker]

Auto museum in 5 points? Are you kidding us? What a ridiculous idea. This is what this are doesn't need. Some rich guy pores his cash into the area and then leaves because no ones coming into his "museum" aka "I'm rich..come look at my collection"...why doesn't he just throw his money away and screw us all now so we can get to something that's going to be apart of the life in 5 points..."WE DESERVE BETTER". A car museum...how depressing.

having owned a vehicle transport business, from the scoop relayed to me it would be a permanent part of a rotating display.
Ancients and one-offs. from around the world.
machines one may not otherwise enjoy the opportunity to view.
maybe like a Karpeles but for automobilia?

It didn't seem as though he'd be leaving.
The overhead would be shared by the other collectors whose "art" would travel.

[RiversideLoki]

Boy! When I think 5-Points I sure think "car museum!" NOT!

Give us something the locals want/need! I know I'll probably get a "well if you want something there so bad, why don't you open it yourself!" But I'm a lowly peon.

The strip needs an anchor store. Not an auto museum.

[ricker]

I agree.
that entire facade needs to be lit in a way that contributes to the streetscape and draws onlookers.
A business in the institution genre has a way of futher shifting the hustle and bustle vibe further down to the new development of BlackSheep's 3 story marvel on the corner of Margaret and Oak.
I personally do not have a stake in the game but I do like the idea of something regionally unique coming in closer to the park.

[JaxResident]

I think what people are forgetting is that 5 Points is not just an attraction for folks to come in from other areas of the city. Of course it is great when both residents's and non-resident's spend money at the various retail, movie and restaurant venues in the neighborhood.

But, let's stop and remember that this is a working neighborhood (all the various businesses, hospitals, retail, etc. Keeping that in mind, many of the resident's choose to live in the neighborhood because of its close proximity to things where you don't need to use your car in every instance and to reach every destination. Many of us walk, bike, use buses, etc. Not because we don't have cars (my partner and I have two), we try to be as careful as possible about using them.

We would much rather spend our money in the neighborhood and with local merchants. If I need to pick up a garden shovel, light bulbs, and maybe a packet of screws, I'd rather give my money to the local hardware store even if I have to pay a bit more for it. It is the same reason I go to Publix in 5 points as opposed to getting in my car and driving to Walmart. Sure, Publix may be more expensive, but I am saving by not using my car.

People keep saying that a hardware store won't make it in 5 points. It's no different than any other business in the neighborhood. If everyone stopped buying wine and beer at Riverside Liquors in 5 Points, the business would go under. It manages to stay alive because people support it instead of driving all over to get their alcohol at a cheaper place like at the Town Center.

Let's not forget that the 5 points neighborhood extends beyond the shops on Park Street. Every business in the immediate area if considered part of this district.

Just because it is 5 points doesn't mean that having a franchise business (such as a hardware store) would hurt the neighborhood. Cities like Boston, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati all have places like this in their urban core. Urban core is typically a mix of locally supported restaurants and shops, mixed with the occasional franchise.

I will concede that a hardware store is not nearly exciting as a museum or another coffee shop. However, we have great galleries right down the road in Avondale, the Cummer is right around the corner, and MOCA is right downtown. And yes, you can walk there via the Riverwalk. My partner and I have done this many times on foot and on our bikes. A hardware store will generate daily foot traffic and revenue.