Black Sheep Restaurant Group Planning New Restaurant for 5 Points

[RiversideLoki]

Hey Joey, quick question, who's design is this?

Nevermind. Milan just told me! D-Coop! I knew the design looked familiar. It definitely has Mike and Logan's flare.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

is that a "la fin du monde" behind the model?

[rjp2008]

"I agree to an extent. I like the idea of EXISTING vacant lots being home to modern architecture. But I don't want our neighborhood to turn into a scenario where you have developers/owners knocking down buildings just to put in modern architecture."

Yup. Agree. I would try to replace/move non-historical buildings like Wendys and help places like
Pizza Palace become much, much better attractions.

[RiversideLoki]

Yeah, Wendy's is a big offender. That corner could definitely use some more apropos architecture considering the corner it's on. Wendy's would be better inset into one of the empty store fronts on Oak street by publix. Drive through is handy... but it's just a drunk magnet.

[jacksonvilleconfidential]

I guess I shoulda called Jon back early yesterday instead of waiting til today so Joey could nab my scoop

[urbanjacksonville]

I really hope they don't cut down those oaks for this, but from that model it looks like they will.

I think tree removal is one of the more contentious issues right now. Will have to wait and see.

[urbanjacksonville]

TU Just posted an article: http://jacksonville.com/business/2010-08-10/story/new-multiuse-building-planned-five-points

Notable » Insetta 90% sure Chew downtown will close if this restaurant is built.

[Allan D]

is that a "la fin du monde" behind the model?

Yes.  Good eye.

[Allan D]

I really hope they don't cut down those oaks for this, but from that model it looks like they will.

I think tree removal is one of the more contentious issues right now. Will have to wait and see.

We have had an on-site informal meeting with a RAP representative and a City landscape architect who concluded that most, if not all, of the trees that may be removed are toward the end of their lives - water oaks and older palms.  There are trees, including a large live oak in the city's right of way on Oak Street, that will be preserved.  Additionally, we will add new canopy trees in the newly created and upgraded parking areas.

[Allan D]

I'd like it if more buildings in the area would look like what this will look like I'll just say that.

I think that's what the southside is for?

That model is pretty bland right now and I am sure the buidling will have some colors/detail to brighten it up.

The color has not been decided on yet, but it will not be strictly white.

[Allan D]

THANK GOODNESS!!!!! That is a prime piece of real estate that has been sitting dormant for nearly a decade.  RAP was saying that it was too dense for that area, causing a 'canyon effect' with 1661 next door.  I think this is a perfect use.  Will they be able to borrow parking from 1661 or have a valet service?  I would hate for parking to kill this, as it is in a very walkable and urban neighborhood, but in Jacksonville it's very possible.

The design isn't perfect, but I love the scale of the building and how it fits into the area as a whole.  I wish them great success and a speedy development.

Thanks for the support Capt Z -

Differences in last proposal mentioned in another post - I believe our proposed building is shorter than the previous, so we hope to create less of that canyon effect.  Our proposal is also more mixed use in nature and owner occupied, which we feel fits our and the neighborhoods goals better.

Valet parking in Jacksonville deserves it's own blog thread.  It's not a matter of available parking and cost to the business in Jacksonville as much as it is the "vibe" it sends.   

The real parking challenge for everyone in 5 Points is during lunch which is not typically valet time, especially in Jacksonville.  The addition of 23 spaces, if we can get approval, is a key part of our business model and our sincere desire to be a contributing part of 5 Points.

Recently, JTA announced continued and expanded service of the Riverside Trolley that should make it easier for more people to travel to and from 5 Points from Downtown to the northeast and Kent Campus to the west.  We hope that our project will be a catalyst in the urban development of 5 Points.

During the evening, parking is less of an issue.  A city parking report done during the last rezoning request deemed the parking in the area underutilized.  If you are willing to walk a city block at night, you can park immediately.  If you feel it's unsafe, further development and infill can only make it safer.

We are very excited at the opportunity to fill this lot with a great building and remain open to answering questions regarding the process and specifics.

[trigger]

http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2010/08/10/black-sheep-restaurant-group-planning-new-restaurant-for-5-points-next-to-mossfire/

I am a huge fan of modern architecture but this proposed design for the triangular site next to Mossfire Grill in 5 Points is simple hideous in the extreme.  It is the worst kind of bad modern architecture; it looks like a Southside office complex. I sincerely hope RAP opposes this design with all of it power.

[Intuition Ale Works]

http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2010/08/10/black-sheep-restaurant-group-planning-new-restaurant-for-5-points-next-to-mossfire/

I am a huge fan of modern architecture but this proposed design for the triangular site next to Mossfire Grill in 5 Points is simple hideous in the extreme.  It is the worst kind of bad modern architecture; it looks like a Southside office complex. I sincerely hope RAP opposes this design with all of it power.

Trigger,

Give it a chance. Orsay worked very closely with RAP on their remodel and will on this project. It is a model and a sketch, not the finished project.

Plus it is located in the urban transition overlay which has different standards than most of RAP's district.

Ben Davis

[acme54321]

I don't think that block is in the Riverside/Avondale Historic Distric, so RAP may not be able to do anything about it.  My biggest concern is the loss of the oak trees on that parcel.  Hopefully this is just an early model that gets dressed up some.  I don't mind modern architechture in the historic areas as long as it's interesting and blends well with everything else.

[ricosuave]

I actually like it.  I think contemporary architecture can be a great addition to a historic area.  Unfortunately it is usually done with the wrong scale/massing and the result is it looks out of place.  This site is small and there is only so much you can do with it.  Parking sucks around there - I wonder if that will be a problem for the restaurant.