Offshore Oil Drilling and the Oil Rig Disaster in the Gulf

Started by RiversideGator, April 30, 2008, 01:14:37 AM

Do you support Oil Drilling off of Florida's First Coast?

Yes
No

BridgeTroll

I know how he feels.  I am waiting for the President to make a similar statement. >:(
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

buckethead

Some tips for individuals on cleanup efforts would be useful.

Do's and Don'ts for the casual beach goer and wildlife enthusiast perhaps.

JaxByDefault

#482
Well the waters off of Schwarzenegger’s state were exempt from the new drilling leases, so I guess he doesn't have to worry about that in his own backyard. I appreciate his comments and look for similar ones from the others. However, the residents of the northern Gulf are tired of their home being viewed as a disposable place by the rest of the country.

If we cannot curtail offshore drilling now -- and I wish we could -- then we must change its current practice. I too would like to see a cancellation of the newly extended lease areas, companies held accountable for not having rapidly deployable contingency and response plans, and swift modification of existing rigs to meet the triple-layer of blow out / spill protection that are required on European rigs. If there is no such equipment rated for use at 5,000ft below the surface, then perhaps we do not yet have the technology to safely drill at those depths.

In addition to asking people who are able to volunteer for clean up duty, please do your part to help the area's fishermen. I make sure that I only eat local or US caught wild shrimp (even when eating out). Now, this is more important than ever as a gulf fishing industry already strained from cost of Katrina recovery must weather another difficult blow. This industry needs to know that their product cannot be replaced by cheaper, frozen, imported shrimp. They need a market to come back to. Support your local Mayport fishermen and show restaurateurs/fishmongers/markets that there are no substitutes for your Gulf seafood favorites.

Again, FYI:
NOAA info for DHI
DHI Response on Facebook

Links for clean-up:
Mobile Baykeepers
Oil Spill Volunteer Database

Bostech

Karma is a bitch and so are oil spills.

Isn't ironic that USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to secure black gold only to get a huge oil spill in own front yard.
As they say,taste of own medicine.

I guess I am only one that sees irony here.
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fieldafm

I'll be on the Emerald Coast in a couple of days... I'll give you guys and gals some pics of any erroneous effects.  I can't go fishing anymore, so only thing I can do is take pictures of the mess and drink Pina Colodas lol.  That'll be my contribution to society  ;)

Dog Walker

Quote from: Bostech on May 04, 2010, 01:32:27 PM
Karma is a bitch and so are oil spills.

Isn't ironic that USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to secure black gold only to get a huge oil spill in own front yard.
As they say,taste of own medicine.

I guess I am only one that sees irony here.


Nope, some of the rest of us see the irony too.  And the idiom is, "in your own back yard".  We should outsource all of our oil spills.
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Sportmotor

Quote from: Bostech on May 04, 2010, 01:32:27 PM
Karma is a bitch and so are oil spills.

Isn't ironic that USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to secure black gold only to get a huge oil spill in own front yard.
As they say,taste of own medicine.

I guess I am only one that sees irony here.


If we wanted it like that, no one could stop us from taking it all and leaving.
:P
I am the Sheep Dog.

civil42806

Well I'm driving down to dauphin island friday, don't think there will be anything to see, but if there is I'll take a few photos.

JaxByDefault

#488
I'll be on the eastern shore this weekend and then in the area on and off for rest of the summer as I work with some foreign media outlets and volunteer for clean-up.



NOAA info for DHI
Mobile Baykeepers
Oil Spill Volunteer Database

urbanlibertarian

Here's an attempt to quantify and compare costs and benefits of offshore oil and gas:

Weighing the Benefits & Costs of Offshore Drilling
Offshore drilling remains a risk well worth taking, even in the wake of the oil spill disaster.

Ronald Bailey | May 4, 2010

Two weeks ago BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico exploded, killing 11 workers. The exploratory well began gushing oil at an estimated rate of 5,000 barrels per day when the blowout prevention system failed. The growing oil slick menaces the marshes and beaches of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Should the slick come ashore, previous research suggests the deleterious effects on fisheries and wildlife would be substantial and long-lasting.

As someone who has enjoyed the sugar white sands of Alabama’s beaches, it is a terrible shame that they are at risk of being despoiled by oily muck. But as someone who also enjoys the conveniences of modern civilization including the on-demand mobility offered by airplanes and automobiles that enable me to visit those beaches, I understand trade-offs.

Opponents of offshore drilling have jumped on the spill as evidence that offshore drilling is inherently dangerous, and not worth the risk. They see the blowout as evidence that the recently lifted moratorium on offshore drilling in parts of the outer continental shelf should be reinstated. Miyoko Sakashita of the Center for Biological Diversity decried “the absurdity of the claims by the oil industry and politicians beholden to that industry that offshore oil and gas development is safe." As a consequence, the center is urging the Obama administration “to reinstitute a moratorium on new offshore oil leasing, exploration, and development on all our coasts.” The Natural Resources Defense Council is also calling for a “time-out” on any further offshore oil drilling until an independent investigation of the BP spill is completed. On April 30, the Obama administration heeded the call for a time-out and halted plans to expand offshore drilling until an investigation into the causes of the BP blowout are complete.

But in deciding whether or not to continue offshore exploration for oil and gas, a calm quantitative approach makes more sense than a rush to ban drilling after seeing some pictures of oily birds. It would be useful to figure out if the costs, economic and ecological, outweigh the benefits of producing offshore oil and gas. Luckily, a recent study by Georgetown University economist Robert Hahn and Milken Institute economist Peter Passell offers some insight to this question. Published in the December 2009 issue of Energy Economics, their study “The economics of allowing more U.S. oil drilling,” finds that the benefits of producing offshore oil greatly outweigh the costs.

In their analysis, Hahn and Passell look at three types of benefits: producer revenues, lower prices to consumers, and less fluctuation in oil prices. These benefits are considered in a scenario in which oil is priced at $50 per barrel, and in another in which it goes for $100 per barrel. (The current price is around $85 per barrel.) At $50 per barrel they estimate that 10 billion barrels of oil would be recoverable from the off-limits outer continental shelf, and at $100 this rises to 11.5 billion barrels.

On the cost side of the ledger they calculate that it would cost $17 per barrel to produce offshore oil at $50 per barrel and $20 per barrel at $100 per barrel. They incorporate a Minerals Management Service estimate of $700 million as the cost of the environmental damage [PDF] caused by producing 10 billion barrels of oil offshore. They include an estimate of damage caused by greenhouse gases produced by burning the oil as fuel, and the direct costs of local air pollution, and traffic congestion and accidents. So what did they find?

At $50 per barrel, the benefits of offshore oil production in the formerly off limits areas of the outer continental shelf would garner $492 billion in revenues, $42 billion in lower oil prices, and reduce the cost of oil price disruptions by $42 billion, yielding total benefits of $578 billion. The direct drilling costs would come to $166 billion, environmental costs $1 billion, greenhouse gas damages $1 billion, local air pollution $28 billion, traffic congestion $28 billion, and traffic accidents $32 billion, for a total cost amounting to $255 billion. So at $50 per barrel the benefits of producing 10 billion barrels of offshore oil would be $323 billion greater than its costs.

At $100 per barrel, outer continental shelf oil production of 11.5 billion barrels of oil would reap $1.15 trillion in revenues, lower oil prices by $99 billion, and reduce the costs price disruptions by $51 billion, resulting in total benefits of $1.3 trillion. Drilling costs would be $238 billion, environmental costs and greenhouse gas damages would total $2 billion, the costs of local air pollution, traffic congestion, and traffic accidents would be $22 billion, $33 billion, and $38 billion respectively. So the total costs of producing 11.5 billion barrels of offshore oil would be $332 billion. Hahn and Passell calculate that at $100 per barrel, the net benefits of producing offshore oil would come to $967 billion, or a trillion dollars. They note that even if the total costs were doubled in both scenarios, “the qualitative conclusion that resource development passes any plausible benefitâ€"cost test still holds.”

But perhaps the environmental costs used by Hahn and Passell are too low. Could they be wrong about the cost of greenhouse emissions? Hahn and Passell note that even at the highest social cost of carbon at $321 per ton suggested by British economist Nicholas Stern, the total benefits of producing offshore oil are still positive. In that case, the net benefits drop from $325 billion to $120 billion at $50 per barrel, and from $975 billion to $725 billion at $100 per barrel.

As for other environmental impacts, analysts at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have devised a Basic Oil Spill Cost Estimation Model to try to figure out the costs of various types of spills. For example, the EPA model projects that the socioeconomic costs of spills over a million gallons is about $60 per gallon and the environmental costs are $30 per gallon. So if the BP blowout continues as-is for a total of 50 days, it will spew 10 million gallons into the Gulf, resulting in $900 million in costs. Applying the model’s highest socioeconomic sensitivity adjustment factor of 2 raises those costs to $1.2 billion, and applying the EPA formula including the highest vulnerability (wildlife) and habitat sensitivity factor (wetlands) raises those costs to nearly $1 billion, for a total of $2.2 billion.

This figure is basically the same as the total clean up costs of the biggest oil spill in U.S. history: In 1989, the Exxon Valdez oil tanker leaked 250,000 barrels of crude oil (about 10 million gallons) after being run aground on a reef in Alaska’s Prince William Sound. The BP blowout will eclipse the Exxon Valdez spill if it continues flowing for another 33 days. The ultimate clean up costs for the Exxon Valdez accident amounted to about $2.2 billion, with additional legal costs and damage payments of $2.3 billion. Some analysts are estimating that the costs for clean up and payment for economic losses from the BP spill might reach as high as $12.5 billion. As it should be, BP’s corporate leadership has declared that the company will be responsible for paying for the costs of the spill.

In his book, Normal Accidents: Living with High Risk Technologies (1984), Yale University sociologist Charles Perrow noted that when a technology fails, it often does so because “the problem is just something that never occurred to the designers.” Assuming no malfeasance, whatever went wrong with the Deepwater Horizon drill rig will likely uncover just such a problem and future designers will fix it. Progress is a trial and error process, and increasing safety results from learning how to make better trade-offs over time between risks. Despite this current disaster, offshore oil drilling remains a risk well worth taking.

Ronald Bailey is Reason's science correspondent. His book Liberation Biology: The Scientific and Moral Case for the Biotech Revolution is available from Prometheus Books.
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urbanlibertarian

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Lunican

Well that's nice. Destroying all of the ecological systems in the entire Gulf of Mexico fits neatly as a line item on the ledger.

urbanlibertarian

There's a difference between damage and destruction.  Also, If you don't even attempt to quantify costs and benefits how can you rationally judge whether or not an activity is an overall plus or minus?  By how it makes you feel?
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thelakelander

Regarding Florida, we need to remember we aren't Louisiana, Texas or Alabama.  Their economies aren't driven by tourism.  On the other hand, our beaches and seafood are a major economic generators for this state.  While there is potential for great profits associated with drilling off our coast, is it worth the risk what is happening in the Gulf right now?  Are there any studies out there that estimate the negative impact on our State's economy if a major spill took place?
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Lunican

Plus, they are comparing their REVENUE to the social and ecological costs. So yeah, it makes sense for THEM, but not anyone else.

Imagine if the fishing industry did something that shut down all the oil rigs and then justified it to the oil companies by showing them that it maximized their revenue.