Should Hate Be Outlawed?

[finehoe]

The state can decide that "only" X Americans deserve "extra protection" while Y Americans do not. 

How do you figure?  If you enact extra penalties on crimes committed based on race, how is anyone left out?

[downtownjag]

I'm guessing this thread was started on yesterday's holiday, 4/20

[buckethead]

Buckethead does not endulge in extra-herbal activities.

Let's talk a bit about Women's Rights.

Do women have a different set of rights than men? Practically? Legally?

Should they? Does the constitution allow for this?

[Cricket]

The state can decide that "only" X Americans deserve "extra protection" while Y Americans do not. 

How do you figure?  If you enact extra penalties on crimes committed based on race, how is anyone left out?

It only matters if the penalty varies from race to race, which in the makeup of our society, it might.

[NotNow]

The current hate laws are applied unevenly.  The question is "who gets to decide what is hate?". 

[Sportmotor]

I hate that.

[urbanlibertarian]

Thoughts, feelings and speech should not be outlawed.  Freedom to think, feel and speak are the most basic of human rights.

[JC]

Buckethead does not endulge in extra-herbal activities.

Let's talk a bit about Women's Rights.

Do women have a different set of rights than men? Practically? Legally?

Should they? Does the constitution allow for this?

Yes, women have a different set of rights than men, just check out the salary statistics.  

Women pay more for health care.

Their reproductive choices are limited AND check the statistics comparing the number of single fathers to single mothers.

Thoughts, feelings and speech should not be outlawed.  Freedom to think, feel and speak are the most basic of human rights.

Thank gods you sorted that out for us!  Very insightful commentary.

[Ocklawaha]

<sarcasm>

That is exactly why we need hate legislation NOW!

Look at the pictures! That was more than murder! It was Hate Murder!

I would seem based on "Origin of the Species" that this would be a suicidal law. As the law of nature would be survival of the fittest assuring evolution of only the finest genes. Thus an argument can be made that Adolph Hitler, or Stalin's purges were actually a performance of God's work. In order as a people to continue to evolve towards immortals we must, needs be, HATE anything less then excellence.

OCKLAWAHA

You do realize you are using part of the same logic these fucking lunatics used to justify their heinous acts?  I have not read The Origin Of Species or The Voyage Of The Beagle, I have tried and they sit on my shelf but they don't pull me in.  Someone (other than the person who has attempted to make an argument for some of the most horrible behavior in human history) correct me if I am wrong, doesn't "survival of the fittest" among the animal kingdom depend on selective breeding, not the extermination of groups of animals unlike the majority?  I am also curious how god and Darwin fit together?  I would like to hear your entire theory.
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Sure am...  The logic of fucking lunatics that NEARLY CONQUERED THE WORLD! It was not me by the way, that said Hitler was doing Gods work (in following Darwin and eliminating the weaker races or peoples) it was the Pope. So did the Pope hate? Hate Jews? Christ Killers? Did the Pope know according to the Bible, we are all responsible for the death of Christ? Was this? Is this HATE?

Is HATE in the eye's of the beholder?

For example, ask any African American if their ancestors were "horse whipped" and you'll almost certainly get a positive response.

Ask why? Why were they whipped?

H A T E !!   Is the universal and agreed on modern politically correct answer, the one found even in today's textbooks.

Reality Check?

Should we "let the cat out of the bag?" You see whipping with the cat-o-nine tails was so common among Anglo-Saxon peoples that the expression (from the Royal Navy) is part of our language.  You see it wasn't a "beat a black" thing, in fact though it was unjustly applied by overseers and slave masters (not just in the South), it probably landed on thousands more white backs.  What DO we do with a drunken sailor? "Give him a taste of the captains daughter..." In other words, strip him naked, strap him over a cannon (the daughter) and beat the shit out of him. So how common was this among whites? Let's look at just ONE town, In 1880, the Cambridge school board found out that out of the 12,973 boys attending the all boy's grammar school, 10,973 incidents of corporal punishment were recorded. Were these all just? If unjust were they HATE? Were they love?
10,973 cases of HATE against children in a single town, in a single year seems a bit severe.

So who gets to decide if the punishment is hate or justice? Then who get's to punish who for the act of hate? Wouldn't this just be revenge, itself an act of hate?

Lastly, how Darwin and God fit together is interesting, you must understand that Charles Darwin was a Christian, and his now accepted Scientific FACT, was a THEORY.  This is a question we have probably all pondered at some point or another, how did we get here? Darwin's theory was that God set in motion the star stuff that contained the necessary elements for life, and the evolution of new and diverse life forms, and devolution into lesser life forms or extinction. Aside from Judas and Nero and a handful of villain's, probably no one that ever lived has been more hated the Charles Darwin.

When they outlaw hate, how long until they outlaw dislike? disgust? or the simple frown?


OCKLAWAHA

[Sportmotor]

It's impossible to outlaw a natural human emotion Ock.

[JC]

<sarcasm>

That is exactly why we need hate legislation NOW!

Look at the pictures! That was more than murder! It was Hate Murder!

I would seem based on "Origin of the Species" that this would be a suicidal law. As the law of nature would be survival of the fittest assuring evolution of only the finest genes. Thus an argument can be made that Adolph Hitler, or Stalin's purges were actually a performance of God's work. In order as a people to continue to evolve towards immortals we must, needs be, HATE anything less then excellence.

OCKLAWAHA

You do realize you are using part of the same logic these fucking lunatics used to justify their heinous acts?  I have not read The Origin Of Species or The Voyage Of The Beagle, I have tried and they sit on my shelf but they don't pull me in.  Someone (other than the person who has attempted to make an argument for some of the most horrible behavior in human history) correct me if I am wrong, doesn't "survival of the fittest" among the animal kingdom depend on selective breeding, not the extermination of groups of animals unlike the majority?  I am also curious how god and Darwin fit together?  I would like to hear your entire theory.

Sure am...  The logic of fucking lunatics that NEARLY CONQUERED THE WORLD! It was not me by the way, that said Hitler was doing Gods work (in following Darwin and eliminating the weaker races or peoples) it was the Pope. So did the Pope hate? Hate Jews? Christ Killers? Did the Pope know according to the Bible, we are all responsible for the death of Christ? Was this? Is this HATE?

Is HATE in the eye's of the beholder?

For example, ask any African American if their ancestors were "horse whipped" and you'll almost certainly get a positive response.

Ask why? Why were they whipped?

H A T E !!   Is the universal and agreed on modern politically correct answer, the one found even in today's textbooks.

Reality Check?

Should we "let the cat out of the bag?" You see whipping with the cat-o-nine tails was so common among Anglo-Saxon peoples that the expression (from the Royal Navy) is part of our language.  You see it wasn't a "beat a black" thing, in fact though it was unjustly applied by overseers and slave masters (not just in the South), it probably landed on thousands more white backs.  What DO we do with a drunken sailor? "Give him a taste of the captains daughter..." In other words, strip him naked, strap him over a cannon (the daughter) and beat the shit out of him. So how common was this among whites? Let's look at just ONE town, In 1880, the Cambridge school board found out that out of the 12,973 boys attending the all boy's grammar school, 10,973 incidents of corporal punishment were recorded. Were these all just? If unjust were they HATE? Were they love?
10,973 cases of HATE against children in a single town, in a single year seems a bit severe.

So who gets to decide if the punishment is hate or justice? Then who get's to punish who for the act of hate? Wouldn't this just be revenge, itself an act of hate?

Lastly, how Darwin and God fit together is interesting, you must understand that Charles Darwin was a Christian, and his now accepted Scientific FACT, was a THEORY.  This is a question we have probably all pondered at some point or another, how did we get here? Darwin's theory was that God set in motion the star stuff that contained the necessary elements for life, and the evolution of new and diverse life forms, and devolution into lesser life forms or extinction. Aside from Judas and Nero and a handful of villain's, probably no one that ever lived has been more hated the Charles Darwin.

When they outlaw hate, how long until they outlaw dislike? disgust? or the simple frown?


OCKLAWAHA

Let the cat out of the bag means to give up information or tell a secret, it has nothing to do with beating people.  

Hate crimes laws do not outlaw hate, duh, I was suspecting that I needed to say that but was hoping I didn't.  It doesn't outlaw hate any more than laws against murdering people outlaws fantasizing about murdering people.

So, uh, murder should be legal so they cant potentially outlaw thinking about murder, give me a break!

Corporal punishment was cruel, but it was done because it was part of what was considered best practices of discipline at the time.  It was not done to subjugate a race of people to deny them their basic human rights, everyone of those children all grew up to be members of white society, which, due to hate, ignorance and greed, blacks were never part of.  

I am done talking to you about this, your world view is, in a word wacky, and we will never see eye to eye on anything!

[buckethead]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag.html

I am not one to challenge Ock's claims of a historical nature.

Word is, he was there.

[civil42806]

Its funny to see a bunch of straight white people debate a topic like this!  Seriously, its amusing...

We are here to amuse you

[buckethead]

Yes, women have a different set of rights than men, just check out the salary statistics. I think you confuse statistics with rights.  

Women pay more for health care. You mean women consume more health care?

Their reproductive choices are limited AND check the statistics comparing the number of single fathers to single mothers. Men's reproductive rights are almost exclusively controlled by women.

Thank gods you sorted that out for us!  Very insightful commentary.

UL said it shortly and sweetly, and right on the money. Do you wish to have emotions regulated by law?

[mtraininjax]

No, but ignorance should be outlawed.