US military kills Iraqis video

[Bostech]

For stuff like this US and NATO bombed Serbia for 78 days,invaded two countries and yet US military commits these crimes and none is responsible for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HegX-_zET5Y

[Sportmotor]

You actually got the title wrong should be US military kills 2 journalist and kids if you want a shock value.
I knew this video would make it to this board eventually.

I personally, would like to say how impressed I am with the video. Rather then carpet bombing the area, or launching Hell Fire missiles and leveling the area, they are able to with a mile or so out put a 30mm shell through a damn van window. Quiet frankly that is outstanding and shows how surgical our military is getting. With cut backs we will go back to "F-It just level the area with a less expensive ordnance"

What upsets me are those fat people never been put in a situation to make a call like this who will whine moan and scream, while they eat a donut who think that those put in a situation who in the heat of the moment have critical choices to make with little time to make them in should be hung.
To see people running around with anything dark and something indistinguishable slug on the back in a WAR ZONE is asking for trouble, and to have a cell phone and be Arabic does not help you in a WAR ZONE IN IRAQ when you are not with American or NATO forces. I would have made the same call and shot them, the van, and anyone else.
Pilots flying close airsupport have love of ground troops and watch over them as guardians and see themselves as such. In the heat of the moment you can not see the kids unless you are told THERE ARE KIDS and you actively look for them out of your way. In the pilots eyes you cant see it, and if you listen to the radio chatter alot of things happen at once.

By the ROE nothing is wrong they did what they had to and once technology advances to be able to get a better picture from a Mile away this might have been avoided. It is tragic none the less but it is war sometimes shit happens.
Use common since, in a hotzone.

Even tho they said that they found a RPG round under one of the bodys so maybe not so innocent eh?

[Sportmotor]

Oh and Bosh if you are gonna post something post the full verson
40mins unedited.
although if any of you bleeding hearts would like to say they dont have a weapon watch at 31.00min you can make out the ak47 held on his right

http://www.youtube.com/v/is9sxRfU-ik

[buckethead]

A shining moment for Sportmotor.

[Sportmotor]

I hate people who take what our young troops are doing over there and twisting it to there agenda.

HATE IT >_>

[buckethead]

I hope you don't mind, but I quoted and shared your post into another forum.

Although I am not in favor of the Iraq war, I agree with your post 100%.

I also believe you speak with the authority of one with experience in the matter. Most of us do not take your service lightly. Thanks for speaking up for our sons and daughters over there.

[Sportmotor]

Never been to the sand box. Speaking for my brothers who are there are people on this bored far more deserving for your thanks, as I lean more toward the private security sector should I ever go overseas it would never be under the US military and the restrictions of the Geniva Convention.
Share away.

[Bostech]

So you are officially turning into Nazi?

US military killing people,journalists and those who came to help them? and somehow you managed to approve this action.
You are officially Nazi.
US is in Iraq illegally killing people and running entire country illegally.

You Republicans have became so disillusion that you need to get help immediately.

[buckethead]

So you are officially turning into Nazi?

US military killing people,journalists and those who came to help them? and somehow you managed to approve this action.
You are officially Nazi.
US is in Iraq illegally killing people and running entire country illegally.

You Republicans have became so disillusion that you need to get help immediately.

Just so you know, Bos; I am in strong opposition to this war.

When my son/father/sister/mother/granson/brother is sent to do battle in the name of protecting me, I will always give the benefit of the doubt to them regarding battlefield decisions.

I am saddened by the vision of people dying, and the thought of having wrongly determined a camera to be a weapon will long be with the person who made the call.

Send my boy to war then bitch about a decision he made while in fear for his life? Won't happen here.

[Bostech]

They were killing people who came to help.
They obviously wanted to kill those men,most likely they were targeting journalists (maybe they found something they shouldn't).
Those Iraqis heard helicopter and knew US troops were above them and didn't act or behave like enemies.You don't walk around casually while copter is above you.
How many crimes does it take for them to be held responsible?

[reednavy]

lmao

Not at the video, but at the stupidity dripping from Bos, especially calling someone a republican and Nazi.

[Sportmotor]

First off Bosh you can NOT hear a Apache from a mile away in Iraq. If you help people WITH WEAPONS IN IRAQ after you see stuff blowing up around them, because I know they heard the 30mm explosive rounds going off, and you come in to swoop up and carry them off you will be shot. Even a "cherry" Private will tell you to shoot them. That is within every NATO military ROE.

http://www.youtube.com/v/HegX-_zET5Y

Here is the video that bos posted.

There is no excuse for it.

And Sports.  Looked at the 31:00 mark.  nothing that makes killing these children ok.

The problem with being 20 something is that you are usually too young and ignorant of the world around you to effectively comment on exactly what 'agenda' they are seeing.

31:18 + you can make out an AK47
I forget at what prior point before hand but they speak of finding RPGs under a body, again I forget at what point in the video but AFTER the 31:18 they speak of the RPG round being a live round.
Any reporter with insurgence in a hot zone, be prepared you might be targeted from 1+mile out as an enemy.
What I posted Stephen was the FULL version of the video. watch every single second of it don't skim a bit.
The problem with you 40 something is that you think you know everything even when you have never been put in a situation anywhere near this or to this level.

You again typically miss the point the only reason you saw children in the video is because someone had to point it out to you. Should you have watched the video(THE FULL VIDEO NONE STOP) without that you can not tell HEY LOOK AT THAT, KIDS. Even so, children are used alot, and I have grueling pictures to tell the tale that children will have and are used as bombs/gunmen(men really?) and shields in Iraq constantly.

ROE was clear, they followed the rules, they even went out of their way a bit to make sure they were clear. I and any other person in that situation would have fired. Had you not known about the children before hand, when you saw the van pull up you would still be focused on the enemy's and the clearance to engage before they got out of the kill zone.
You dint look for children when you see people with weapons you look for the threat first. Your brother in arms comes before any worthless civy that is a brutal fact of life, especially in a country that the enemy dresses up as someone normal(for the region).

It is tragic, but it is war and the fact that the driver took the children to an area of an attack were insurgence were is sad beyond words for the children but was the parents putting them in harm's way not the American's who were in battle making sure that others can come home here safely.

[Bostech]

You can hear Apache miles away as any other helicopter.They make loud noise that is obvious to anyone.Those people were aware of helicopter flying above yet they didn't run but casually walk around.
There were civilians,reporters,kids and people with guns.
AK-47 in war is not unusual to carry around especially in Iraq,people have weapons for protection and to divert others from attacking.Shooting someone just because they had AK-47 on them without knowing who or what they are doing is a careless.Nobody in crowd didnt display any signs of aggression.
If anything it is obvious there were civilians and kids in crowd and they choose to shoot and kill everyone including people who came to help.

These "tragic events" are monthly thing for US army since war started.
They invaded 2 countries by "mistake",torturing war prisoners was "mistake",killing innocent people EVERY month was mistake.

For any other military in world this would be crime,people would be punished and it would be on mass media...except US military which is getting away with committing crimes.

Like I said US and NATO bombed Serbia for 78 days for similar crimes yet US walks away and will keep committing crimes in future.

But you have to remember this is BAD for image of USA,maybe here in US media ignore this but all over world they are playing this and people are outraged.
What Soviet Union was yesterday USA is today.

[Bostech]

lmao

Not at the video, but at the stupidity dripping from Bos, especially calling someone a republican and Nazi.

He is turning into Nazi.Well I suspected his young,which makes him clueless and aggressive but that is still not excuse for his denial,many right wing Americans are behaving that way.
There are 5 stages person can turn into a Nazi/Serb/Taliban or whatever other name you prefer to describe someone murderous .
Stage 1-You watch others around you commit crime and you don't react or do anything about it.
Stage 2-You get in denial and start justifying other people actions and crimes.
Stage 3-You get angry and start throwing brick in peoples windows,threaten violence,get aggressive
Stage 4-You become one of murderers by committing crime.
Stage 5-Once conflict/war is over you become Mr. Nice guy and pretend like nothing happened or you ever done any crimes.heck you might even consider yourself to be a HERO.

[RainDoggie]

Just to weigh in on the ROE argument... It's my understanding that you aren't allowed to shoot any random person who you think might be carrying a weapon (even in a warzone).  They have to pose some sort of threat or show hostility.  You also aren't allowed to continue firing at someone who has already been significantly wounded.  And you most definitely cannot shoot at someone who is attempting to assist the wounded.  That last one could be considered a war crime.

My brother served 2 tours in Iraq before the surge and my best friend is in Iraq right now.  My cousin is currently in Afghanistan.  My point being that I know what it means to have loved ones in a warzone and want to come to their defense from people who are quick to point fingers.  However what happened here is clearly wrong.  Unfortunately things like this are pretty much inevitable when you go to war.  Atrocities have been committed by all sides in all major conflicts of recent memory.  War has a tendency to make otherwise decent people do pretty awful things which is what I see when I watch this video.

And Sportmotor, please keep in mind that the Geneva Conventions are designed to protect our troops not restrict them.  Lots of people like to attack the Geneva Convention until the war crimes our being committed against our own people.