JSO and (alleged) prostitution

[Ocklawaha]

I think we agree in principal here, it is a choice, however, it is a choice to be made by someone with "Stockholm Syndrome," or "battered spouse Syndrome".  They usually can't make that choice until they can withdraw and feel completely safe. For some of them that is impossible, for others there is hope, and those are the ones I'd like to reach.

Don't feel sorry for me, my time on the street was a product of a generation of "Tune in, turn on, drop out". From a fairly wealthy Ortega family, I DID make a choice to wander the country, barefoot! The experiences I'll keep for a dozen lifetimes, I think you know.


OCKLAWAHA

[Springfielder]

I would venture to say that the majority of those on the streets are not there because of the "Stockholm Syndrome," or "battered spouse Syndrome"...some, yes, the majority, no. So on this, we completely disagree. I know that some start as a result of being run-aways and it's easy and quick money to survive upon, but it's still choices they make...so in that, we will agree.

[Ocklawaha]

Yeah, wonder what the mind of a 12-14 year old run away thinks after being sodomized, shot full of hard drugs, and raped a few hundred times? Welcome to the choice girl!

The road out is way harder then the road in.

OCKLAWAHA

[nvrenuf]

Ock - do you think the transgender hookers we have with $5-10k boob jobs and hormone injections are of the same ilk?

[Dan B]

Ock, if you know some ministries that want to come out and try to convert these people, bring it. IM sure Cindi, Moved, Nvrenuf, and others would tell you times, and even names if they think it might help.

If you could get these people off the streets, and into the church, you would win a ton of fans.

[Springfielder]

Yeah, wonder what the mind of a 12-14 year old run away thinks after being sodomized, shot full of hard drugs, and raped a few hundred times? Welcome to the choice girl!

The road out is way harder then the road in.OCKLAWAHA

I guess to make my point, I should type in bold, but I wish not to be yelling at someone. So let me just repeat myself, and perhaps this time you'll read what I typed

I would venture to say that the majority of those on the streets are not there because of the "Stockholm Syndrome," or "battered spouse Syndrome"...some, yes, the majority, no. So on this, we completely disagree. I know that some start as a result of being run-aways and it's easy and quick money to survive upon, but it's still choices they make...so in that, we will agree.

Most of the hookers are not the innocent victims as you want us all to believe, most do make a conscience choice to use hooking as an easy (non taxable) means of supporting themselves and their addictions.

[Springfielder]

which is why they should legalize it...I'm all for that...and getting them off the streets

[cindi]

In short, I am completely agreeing with you that there is nothing left to try, short of jail time type offenses.  I know these people like family, and I know if you and your neighbors ramp it up, you might drive them off for a period, but at the risk of marking yourself, your house, your own family, for some very violent people (pimps). Even someone I know in Los Angeles that had the guts to start a mission like I'm speaking of has had: car bombed, rattle snake (complete with gift ribbon and death note) left on porch, shed and garage burned, and finally house and property (in the foothills) burned. These people were HELPING the hookers get out, imagine if they would have been fighting with them and those pimps?

Sure, you live in the neighborhood and must do something, but really the only something that is even 1/2 way safe is the JSO, and even then at great risk if they find out your the one reporting it.  It's rather like my life in Colombia, not that crime was as bad as Jax. but if something was going down and the policia were not on scene, "I see nothing! I hear nothing! I say nothing!" Rather then living in your neighborhood it can be a battle for survival, and I don't think Springfield wants or needs that.

What I'm suggesting is a fresh approach, it's worked wonders in Las Vegas, OKC, and a few other cities. It doen't solve the problem, but is a huge step toward solving it. People that like you, were completely frustrated and suddenly found some of these folks were working WITH them rather then fighting them. Believe it or not, the women and some of the men too, involved in prostitution are victims. Like Stockholm syndrome or batter spouse, once they have been deprogrammed they can see the light and often go back into the neighborhood to help their sisters and brothers of the night to get out.

Jacksonville can do this.

really? you know these people? no, you don't.  i guess you have missed the multiple times that i have said we HAVE talked to them - at length - these are not their stories.  i am not sure what part of Jax you live in but the hookers that you are describing are not our hehos.  maybe take a trip out some night, we in hampsterdam could even sponsor a "get to know your heho night" so all of those out there that think they "know" can get a good first hand look. 
Do you live in springfield?  specifically do you live in our little corner of hell?  if not, please do not tell me what we "want" or "need" and just so you know - i am a homeowner not a hostage.  i will not "look the other way" i will not "turn over the street at 1am" to the animals that think they can do whatever they want to whoever they want. 
you did not answer my question.  do you think that their "past" (real or not) gives them the right to cop a squat in our yards (it's not like they even attempt to hide or go behind a bush)? or leave their nasty used condoms on the sidewalk instead of pitching them in the garbage can a foot away?  let me guess, since they have a "rough life" it is my job to pick up after them?
oddly enough, i do see what you are saying about the hookers with the past that you described - again, this is NOT the case here (like springfielder said, perhaps i should over use bold to try and get my point across.)  these hehos are NOT homeless, the vast majority have their own government subsidized apartments - how do we know? - we have talked to them, we have followed them, "watched" them in their "environment".  many have "day jobs" etc.  they spend A LOT of money on the hormones and plastic work that they have had done.  we have spent YEARS studying them - this is NOT our first day. 

[Ocklawaha]

No Cindi, I don't live in Springfield.

I don't work either.

I live in World Golf Village and every month daddy sends me a check.

OCKLAWAHA

[uptowngirl]

ahhh, but so many do just turnover the streets then cry and blame everyone else. Hampsterdam does do their part in reducing crime. They unlike other areas, just have more than their fare share.

[cindi]

ahhh, but so many do just turnover the streets then cry and blame everyone else. Hampsterdam does do their part in reducing crime. They unlike other areas, just have more than their fare share.

you know what is so funny? the fact that the people that have an "issue" with us having an "issue" with the hookers are the ones that are scared that we will relocate them to their front yard.  then, they will have to come from behind the closed curtains when the sex howling begans or they might actually have to dial up the jso on a routine basis - then they couldn't claim that life is sooooo perfect in da hood. it's hard to deny when it is shoved down your throat. 
just like a few "old timers" that kept telling us that "there are no hookers", it's your imagination, blah blah blah, then we had a brief period of time when we managed to push them up to laura street - all the sudden, we were vigalantes, need to stop what we were doing etc - guess he got tired of scraping the ho crap off his shoes and picking up the crack pipes and condoms.
still waiting for all the sympathetics to send me their address so i can let the hehos know where they can operate unimpeded and get an occasional hug. 

[CS Foltz]

Well how about the Honorable Johnny Payaton?........should not be too hard to come up with his address and shazaaaam......the heho problem with be solved, right? cindi .....why don't you send some to your Council representative..........I would even chip in $20 Dollars for that so lets contact the local news and maybe we can get some TV coverage to add to the fun and we need to do that during the day!

[mtraininjax]

Don't ask, don't tell works fine for me. If swingin or pimping is your thing, fine, just keep it in Springfield.