300 homes, offices and shops planned for IGP

[Shwaz]

So are they proposing four-laning IGP from 95 all the way to US1 (or just flattenig the curve)?  If so that would be a real shame.  As you drive through 12 Mile swamp approaching US1 there is some fantastic old tree canopy over the road.  It really is a scenic drive.  If the road was widened this would all be gone.  Would be a real loss in my opinion.

I second that 

[St. Auggie]

No the 4 laning will not go all the way out to US 1.  This will extend right to about the "curve".  The canopy is safe.  Someday there will be a road that does stretch around that area from IGP to US 1 that is 4 lanes the whole way, but not how it is currently aligned.  I dont typically get upset about sprawl, but this does seem like a really dumb project.

[02roadking]

If this is the same road that comes out at Palencia (I believe it is) ,Then yes, this probably destroys that tree canopy I love to cruise under, on the bike, on those hot summer days.  

[02roadking]

Hope your right Auggie

[St. Auggie]

I dont get to add too much to this board, but this time I know what I am talking about.  The good news is that road stays the same the bad news is the other part I mentioned, someday there will be another road that cuts through the swamp, I believe just to the north which will become the "new" IGP. 

[British Shoe Company]

It's 300 multi family units, not single family dwellings.  They sre scheduled to be built from 2015 to 2020.   The rest of the project will probably still will be developed by Ben Carter.  I do not know if it will be called "Esplanade" or not.  I like it!

[reednavy]

Apparently you didn't read the article, Ben Carter isn't developing this anymore. He has no capital to build with, and his largest development, Streets of Buckhead in Atlanta, is barely hanging on. If he doesn't get it done soon, it could very well be foreclosed upon.

[Ocklawaha]

Like I said, if they want 300 apartments, and some retail over in the I-95 area, more power to them... If they lose their ass in the process, forgive me if I double over laughing!

There are two things both threatened with eminent development, 12 mile swamp AND Francis Field LTA (blimp) base.

The old base would make a dandy 300+ acre park, with a historical core. You can see the base on the SE corner of IGP and Francis Road. Note the bushes in the middle of the acreage, it's a giant concrete? circular road with a mooring mast pivot in the center. (The mother of all go-kart tracks? LOL! or call 1-800-metlife.


Speed Control 101, "The speed control bend"


THE CRAZY CIRCLE OF PLANNING

The two-lane highway with sharp curves is a traffic hazard, but we can widen it.

The IGP widening solution will kill the canopy even with wildlife bridges...

Tree canopy's can be replaced with new growth in the medians, and shoulders of the roadway.

Transportation planners as a rule will not allow ANY tree growth on the right-of-way as a safety hazard.

The canopy may not be replaced with new growth if it creates a hazard.

A wide road will greatly increase speeds and traffic in the swamp, creating yet another hazard.

To slow down the traffic and keep the canopy, the roadway should be 2 limited to lanes with several curves!


OCKLAWAHA

[reednavy]

He's having to talk to debters to extend deadlines in order to fins financing to func that project. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he may have gotten in over his head. The SJTC was a first in the market, so it had no real competition in a number of the retailers that have signed on.

His latest egg, SOB, is in a market that is truly saturated to over saturated with luxury retailers, condos, and hotels. All residential was scrapped, and the only hotel that signed off has backed out. Other retailers have also backed out and it isn't looking very well. Latest report from last month reports he needs over $200 million to get this going on track.

Honestly, you kept posting rumors that had no backing at all, and when pressed to present anything, you flake or get hostile.

Here's some of BC's issues in the news.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704561004575013512823380310.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/Articles-c-2009-09-04-166612.113118_Streets_of_Buckhead_remains_idleuntil_2010.html

Simon Malls is a different story and isn't a part of this development. Simon Properties has a much better portfolio and a excellent reputation and isn't concerned at all about STJC failing.

The Esplanade was supposed to open this spring, but not a single thing has been done, outside of the required surveying, which was done years ago. If Ben Carter's Streets of Buckhead falls through, which it is teetering on, the Esplanade will never happen.

[British Shoe Company]

He's having to talk to debters to extend deadlines in order to fins financing to func that project. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he may have gotten in over his head. The SJTC was a first in the market, so it had no real competition in a number of the retailers that have signed on.

His latest egg, SOB, is in a market that is truly saturated to over saturated with luxury retailers, condos, and hotels. All residential was scrapped, and the only hotel that signed off has backed out. Other retailers have also backed out and it isn't looking very well. Latest report from last month reports he needs over $200 million to get this going on track.

Honestly, you kept posting rumors that had no backing at all, and when pressed to present anything, you flake or get hostile.

Here's some of BC's issues in the news.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704561004575013512823380310.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/Articles-c-2009-09-04-166612.113118_Streets_of_Buckhead_remains_idleuntil_2010.html

Simon Malls is a different story and isn't a part of this development. Simon Properties has a much better portfolio and a excellent reputation and isn't concerned at all about STJC failing.

The Esplanade was supposed to open this spring, but not a single thing has been done, outside of the required surveying, which was done years ago. If Ben Carter's Streets of Buckhead falls through, which it is teetering on, the Esplanade will never happen.

Did you mean creditors?  You said debtors. (You misspelled debtor's also)

How many years late was SJTC?   (over 5) 

You must be drinking again tonight.

[reednavy]

Caught me on the creditors part.

I have no clue how late SJTC was as I wasn't here prior to June 2006.

Why do you assume I'm drinking tonight? If you're going to try and make a stupid personal attack, try and make it clear.

Hmm, pretty simple as to going to Ben Carter's website and mentions nothing of the Simon Property Group. Press releases have not mentioned the SPG at all, and usually significant developments mention all big developers. Oh, and just for your information, Mel Simon DIED LAST SEPTEMBER.

[Jason]

A previous project, a high-end retail shopping complex called Esplanade, was planned for that same property in 2007.

However, developers Ben Carter and the Devlin Group -- builders of the successful St. Johns Town Center in Duval County -- halted Esplanade's forward movement in 2008. That project consisted of 1,400 homes, 1.4 million square feet of office space, 850,000 square feet of retail space and a 11-bed hotel.

The $28 million that Devlin and Carter committed for road improvements were never raised and the road work never done.

In think the above says it all.  Carter/Devlin sold out to Nine Mile Gang.  They may one day have some influence in the area but that is simply speculation.  Nothing more.  The World Commerce Center on the west side of I95 will be developed much sooner than anything on the east side.

[British Shoe Company]

They never owned the property.  Devlin was under contract w/ Nine Mile Gang, and defaulted.

[British Shoe Company]

reednavy, do not feel bad, I misspelled Philips Hwy.  Only you know if you were drinking beverages stronger than milk.