JAPAN had Atomic Bomb AND Helicopters in World War II

[civil42806]

But the unit 731 is well known and researched, there are books full of  information, original documents and such, thats no secret.  The US milititaries usage and cover up were shameful, but again well known and researched.  The fact is volumes and volumes about WWII have been written, never other than this one newpaper article have I ever seen referenced or written that the japanese had successfully obtained a nuclear weapon.  In fact I would think that would have entered into the discussions about whether or not to drop the bomb and it certainly would have been a dominating factor.  Sorry but pending other information, this is more of an urban legend than anything else.

[Ocklawaha]

The first time I read this was in a pro-Nazi magazine of "history". It sure wasn't some press guy from Atlanta. There are a scattering of stories including several reports of seeing the flash from US ships, Russian etc...Positions. It was total war and no body took much notice. This territory was deep behind the prying eyes of the US forces. Only a lucky B-29 might have seen it but would have run the risk of getting shot down by the Russians (which finally happened - later on). I have also seen reports and perhaps a photo of the zone that was ground zero, while I'm no expert in the field, it looks like the other Atomic sites we've all seen . We know that a couple of Japanese scientists were aboard a Nazi sub headed to Japan with rockets and other cool toys, when the Germany surrendered. They were both arrested, but killed themselves rather then be questioned. They were without a doubt, exchanging their know how with the Germans. We always imagined that is was the Nazi's telling the Japanese the "how too" but now it appears it was the other way around. Too little, too late, and they died rather then give up their nation.

Unit 731 is well doccumented in eye witness reports as it was a death camp for 100,000's of thousands of allied POWs. The tortures, surgerys, and weird experiments defy any description and make the wost of the Nazi's look like Sunday School teachers. What is NOT DOCCUMENTED is the results of the tests, just what they did and what they were looking for. What was it they discovered about human endurance, pain, function and the abilities to inflict mass death or limited "clean torture" is unknown. I suspect some of the boys at Gitmo know something of 731's mysterys. ALL of those doccuments were seized by the army just as the Navy seized the giant subs. The Russians got copies of the cleaned up reports on 731, and were told the subs had all sunk. But then, they got the bomb, and told us and the world, it never happened. Military-through and through.

OCKLAWAHA

[stjr]

Speaking of Japan and the atomic bomb, here is an amazing story of the only man that survived both Hiroshima and Nagasaki a-bombs:

Man who defied both A-bombs dies aged 93

The only man to experience nuclear bombardment twice and live to tell the tale became an eloquent voice for peace

By David McNeill in Tokyo
Thursday, 7 January 2010

Reporters never knew whether to call Tsutomu Yamaguchi the luckiest or unluckiest man alive. In 1945, the Nagasaki native was exposed to both nuclear blasts that incinerated his home city and Hiroshima. Last year the Japanese government formally recognised him as the only "nijuuhibaku" or double A-bomb survivor.

The unique horror which marked his life, and the dignified way he handled it, gave him special prominence. Lying in hospital in December, just days from dying of the cancer that finally claimed him this week, he received a distinguished visitor from overseas: Hollywood director James Cameron.

His 3D blockbuster Avatar may be searing a hole through global box office records, but Mr Cameron is already reported to be focused on his next project: an "uncompromising" movie about nuclear weapons. So when he turned up in Japan before Christmas, Mr Yamaguchi was the man he most wanted to meet.

Aged 93, the great survivor told Mr Cameron it was his "destiny" to make the movie. "Please pass on my experience to future generations," he said.

The visit partially made up for what Mr Yamaguchi had waited in vain for all his life: a meeting with a sitting US president. His sister Toshiko said that President Barack Obama's declaration in November that he wanted to visit Hiroshima or Nagasaki was what had helped him cling to life. "He was elated when President Obama pledged (in a speech in Prague last year) to abolish nuclear weapons," she said. Inspired, Mr Yamaguchi painstakingly penned a letter to the President. "I was so moved by your speech in Prague," he wrote. "I devote the rest of my life to insisting that our world should abandon nuclear arms."

Mr Yamaguchi was a young engineer on a business trip to Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, when a B-29 US bomber dropped its payload â€" the "Little Boy", which would kill or injure 160,000 people by the end of the day. Three kilometres from Ground Zero, the blast temporarily blinded him, damaged his hearing and inflicted horrific burns over much of the top half of his body.

Three days later, he was back in his home city of Nagasaki, 190 miles away, explaining his injuries to his boss, when the same white light filled the room. "I thought the mushroom cloud had followed me from Hiroshima," he said later. The "Fat Man" bomb killed about 70,000 people and created a city where, in the famous words of its mayor, "not even the sound of insects could be heard".

His exposure to so much radiation led to years of agony. He went bald and developed skin cancers. His son Katsutoshi died of cancer in 2005 aged 59, and his daughter Naoko never enjoyed good health. His wife died in 2008 of kidney and liver cancer. Toshiko suffered one of the many symptoms of fallout survivors: an abnormally low white blood cell count.

But once he recovered, he returned to work as a ship engineer and rarely discussed what happened to him. He quietly raised his family and declined to campaign against nuclear weapons until he felt the weight of his experiences and began to speak out. In his eighties, he wrote a book about his experiences, and took part in a documentary called Nijuuhibaku. The film shows him weeping as he describes watching bloated corpses floating in the city's rivers and encountering the walking dead of Hiroshima, whose melting flesh hung from them like "giant gloves".

Four years ago, he spoke to the UN in New York, where he pleaded with the General Assembly to fight for the abolition of nuclear weapons. When the Japanese government belatedly recognised his "double victim" status, he said that his record "can tell the younger generation the horrifying history of the atomic bombings even after I die."

Mr Cameron read Mr Yamaguchi's history before deciding to meet him, along with author Charles Pellegrino, whose book The Last Train from Hiroshima: The Survivors Look Back is released this month. An account of the experiences of the nuclear survivors, one scene describes how Mr Yamaguchi survived in Nagasaki by a fluke, protected by a stairwell that diverted the blast as the rest of the building disintegrated around him. "He was an ordinary man so nothing prepared him for experiences like that," recalls his sister Toshiko.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/man-who-defied-both-abombs-dies-aged-93-1859874.html

[Ocklawaha]

Yeah, I read about him today too, DAMN, this guy should have played the lottery!

Not unlike the revision of American history with regards to our illegal, "War of Yankee Aggression," the story of the bomb has been greatly over played...

Did you know:

The bomb had almost ZERO effect on the Japanese Government, as they had their own very advanced Nuke program (believe the Japanese Bomb story or not). After the first bomb they dispatched scientists and military experts to the scene, who reported back with a simple message. "As we suspected, the Americans have deployed a atomic bomb..." When the second blast went off the same group reported to Tokyo, "This should not be of great concern to us as the American's can't have more then 3 or 4 of these weapons..." In other words IT DIDN'T STOP THE WAR OR EVEN SLOW IT DOWN! Japan was already beat and the Emperor and Diet knew it. Surrender would have come sooner had the US understood the first communication was an offer to Surrender if the emperor would remain as head of state (after all he is a god). We took that same message as they are keeping the government they have so lets drop the big ones. Sad. When MacArthur indicated an unconditional surrender and qualified it by saying within the "terms of our agreement" the Tokyo government fortunately decided that we intended to allow them to name some terms. The gulf of misunderstandings was so great, as to almost march us into WWIII, with Korea, China, and Russia, fighting the "ABCD" America/Australia, Brittan, Canada, Denmark along with the remains of the Japanese and German Army's as allies.

The firebombing raids over Tokyo and other Japanese Cities did far more damage and killed Millions of people in a much more horrible way then any nuke ever did. 15 square miles of Tokyo was burned out in a single night. The fires from thousands of bombs delivered by over 800 bombers, created a thermal condition that led to a fire storm or fire cyclone with flames reaching an estimated 20,000 feet. Aircraft crews on all but the leading attack squadrons, were blinded and choked by the foul smoke rising from the city. People attempted to put out the fires from the little flaming bombs of napalm, which resulted in them being covered by flaming jelly. Those that sought refuge in the river or canal were either drowned (if they were lucky) or they were boiled alive. THIS IS WHAT BROUGHT DOWN JAPAN.

Even so, we estimated for Operation Olympic, the late 1945 proposed invasion of Japan at Kyushu, that we would take it with three divisions. Our "intelligence" told us there was only 1.5 divisions on the island, and our 3 divisions supported by 34 aircraft carriers would easily take it. Our sailors and soldiers were singing about coming home after we invaded, saying "The Golden Gate in 48". We are damn blessed that we didn't have to invade those islands because it really would have been an American Armageddon.

Unknown to us, Japan didn't have 1.5 divisions, they had 9, and expected to have another 9 moved into place by the time of our invasion. Our 34 aircraft carriers with their light bombers and limited fighter forces would have gone against 5,400 aircraft Japan had horded for this purpose, many of them JET FIGHTERS, BOMBERS and GUIDED MISSILES... 3 things we didn't even own. Trust the old hippie on this, if we had attacked, we would have experienced another Pearl Harbor Defeat, or worse. They had a regular welcoming reception waiting for the unsuspecting American GI's:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ewoi2KziWR0&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Besides these regular weapons, guns, tanks etc. Japan had these "special weapons" which were established on southern Kyushu.

   * Kamikazes -- 2,100 army planes and 2,700 navy planes.
   * Baku - suicide missile carried by a bomber.
   * Mini-subs, each with 2 torpedoes, 500 were building.
   * Fleet submarines -- rearm the 57 remaining that had been dedicated to resupply of outposts.
   * Kaiten - suicide torpedoes with a 20 mile range.
   * Shinyo - suicide motorboats. The army had 1-man, 17 foot motorboats. The navy had 2-man, 22 foot boats.
   * The largest surviving warships were destroyers that were prepared for suicidal attack on the invasion convoys.
   * On the land, human mines in which soldiers had explosives strapped to their bodies and were to crawl under a tank. Other explosives were packed with a suction cup to be attached to the side of a tank. And shaped charges on a long pole were to be detonated on the side of a tank.
   * Japanese paratroopers were to attack Okinawa to disrupt flight operations during the invasion period.

So boys and girls, do we feel as PROUD of our guys and gals in uniform in 1945, as we feel "sorry" for the "poor", "helpless" Japanese? GO FIGURE PATRIOTS!

OCKLAWAHA

[Sportmotor]

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

I just wet myself