Springfield Named South Top Come back City

[Ocklawaha]

Nobody knows it's all because of CLEO'S at Liberty and 21St Streets, while it's not exactly Springfield, every chicken and fish lover in Jacksonville should know about this little treasure. No bigger then a tract house bedroom, the place often has a line at lunch, filling orders for business and public servants all over Springfield, Panama, Phoenix, Eastside, etc... No doubt the Southern Living people wandered in there one lunch hour and BINGO, Springfield is immortal. REALLY!

OCKLAWAHA HE GOT SOCO!


Here come old flattop he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please

He wear no shoeshine he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger he shoot coca-cola
He say "I know you, you know me"
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free
Come together right now over me

He bag production he got walrus gumboot
He got Ono sideboard he one spinal cracker
He got feet down below his knee
Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease
Come together right now over me

He roller-coaster he got early warning
He got muddy water he one mojo filter
He say "One and one and one is three"
Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to see
Come together right now over me

OCKLAWAHA

[tufsu1]

I think Springfield is being helped by the recession and national real estate collapse. Prices have dropped and a lot more people are moving in and speculators/flippers moving out.

Also, the people leaving their insightful comments on First Coast News probably can't even point to Springfield on a map.

they would first need to know how to read a map!

[chris farley]

I thought it achieved the title of the largest, not in square miles but the number of period buildings within the square mile.  When the survey was done I believe there were about 1800 such buildings - that is a huge concentration

[thelakelander]

I'd imagine Riverside/Avondale would have more period buildings (50 years and older?) as well.  Its larger in land area and the building fabric is largely still in place.  I also wonder how continuous demolitions within Springfield, over the last couple of years, have impacted their overall number.

[Ocklawaha]

I thought it achieved the title of the largest, not in square miles but the number of period buildings within the square mile.  When the survey was done I believe there were about 1800 such buildings - that is a huge concentration

Wonder how many of those were old streetcars? REALLY! Saw evidence of a surviving streetcar in St. Augustine today, long after the system was abandoned. Looks like the car body was used as some sort of display or shop next to the Ponce De Leon Monument DOWNTOWN, through the 1930's and maybe the 40's. Now we are wondering where it was moved to when it left downtown??

As older neighborhood's, Springfield, Durkeeville, East Side, Phoenix, Panama Park, LaVilla, Fairfield, Brooklyn, San Marco, San Jose, St. Nicholas, Riverside, Avondale, Fairfax, Murray Hill and Ortega, should have pretty good odds on having or having HAD such cars. They were given away for use as sheds and chicken coops, some even became part of a house or serve as a Florida Room.


OCKLAWAHA

[grimss]

Riverside Avondale has around 4100 contributing structures. Springfield is just over 1700. As far as concentration of structures in a particular radius counting for what makes something the largest, that's kind of counterintuitive, no? Densest maybe? But largest means, well, largest.

[Debbie Thompson]

If I'm not mistaken, Riverside Avondale achieved historic district status fairly recently.  Maybe the person that posted Springfield as the largest, which is used to be, didn't know.

[grimss]

Riverside was Jacksonville's first National Register Historic District, elected in 1985.  Springfield was second, nominated in 1987.  Avondale was 1989.  Not trying to nitpick, just trying to be accurate.

[Lunican]

How large is the Riverside Historic District without including Avondale?

[Reaper man]

How large is the Riverside Historic District without including Avondale?

About this big: <-------------------------------->*








*Not to scale.

[chris farley]

Avondale Historic District
(added 1989 - Duval County - #89000494)
Roughly bounded by Roosevelt Blvd., Belvedere Ave., Seminole Rd., St. Johns River, and Talbot Ave., Jacksonville
(2730 acres, 729 buildings)  
Historic Significance:  Event, Architecture/Engineering, Person  
Architect, builder, or engineer:  Et al., Marsh & Saxlebye  
Architectural Style:  Bungalow/Craftsman, Colonial Revival, Other  
Historic Person:  Stockton,Telfair  
Significant Year:  1920  
Area of Significance:  Architecture, Community Planning And Development  
Period of Significance:  1900-1924, 1925-1949  
Owner:  Private  
Historic Function:  Domestic  
Historic Sub-function:  Single Dwelling  
Current Function:  Domestic  
Current Sub-function:  Single Dwelling  
 



Fort Caroline National Memorial ***
(added 1966 - Duval County - #66000061)
10 mi. E of Jacksonville, Jacksonville
(1280 acres, 3 structures, 1 object)  
Historic Significance:  Event  
Area of Significance:  Religion, Military, Politics/Government  
Period of Significance:  1500-1599, 1800-1824  
Owner:  Federal  
Historic Function:  Defense  
Historic Sub-function:  Battle Site, Fortification  
Current Function:  Landscape  
Current Sub-function:  Park  
 



Old Ortega Historic District
(added 2004 - Duval County - #04000682)
Also known as DU159777
Bounded by roosevelt Blvd., Verona Ave., St. Johns and Ortega Rivers, Jacksonville
(4500 acres, 597 buildings)  
Historic Significance:  Event, Architecture/Engineering  
Architectural Style:  Late 19th And Early 20th Century American Movements, Late 19th And 20th Century Revivals  
Area of Significance:  Community Planning And Development, Architecture  
Period of Significance:  1900-1924, 1925-1949, 1950-1974  
Owner:  Private , Local Gov't  
Historic Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic, Education, Landscape, Religion  
Historic Sub-function:  Business, Multiple Dwelling, Park, Religious Structure, School, Single Dwelling  
Current Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic, Education, Landscape, Religion  
Current Sub-function:  Business, Multiple Dwelling, Park, Religious Structure, School, Single Dwelling  
 



Riverside Historic District
(added 1985 - Duval County - #85000689)
Roughly bounded by Seaboard Coastline RR, Riverside and Memorial Pks., St. Johns River and Seminole, Jacksonville
(6870 acres, 2120 buildings, 1 object)  
Historic Significance:  Event, Architecture/Engineering  
Architect, builder, or engineer:  Et al., Marsh & Saxlebye  
Architectural Style:  Bungalow/Craftsman, Prairie School, Colonial Revival  
Area of Significance:  Exploration/Settlement, Architecture  
Period of Significance:  1850-1874, 1875-1899, 1900-1924, 1925-1949  
Owner:  Private , Local Gov't  
Historic Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic  
Historic Sub-function:  Single Dwelling  
Current Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic  
Current Sub-function:  Single Dwelling  
 



Springfield Historic District
(added 1987 - Duval County - #86003640)
Also known as Springfield Subdivision
Roughly bounded by Twelfth, Clark, and First Sts., Hogans Creek and Boulevard, Jacksonville
(5060 acres, 1787 buildings, 11 structures, 9 objects)  
Historic Significance:  Event, Architecture/Engineering, Person  
Architect, builder, or engineer:  Et al., Klutho,Henry John  
Architectural Style:  Queen Anne, Bungalow/Craftsman, Colonial Revival  
Historic Person:  Klutho,Henry John  
Significant Year:  1930, 1882  
Area of Significance:  Architecture, Entertainment/Recreation, Landscape Architecture, Community Planning And Development  
Period of Significance:  1875-1899, 1900-1924, 1925-1949  
Owner:  Private , Local Gov't  
Historic Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic  
Historic Sub-function:  Business, Multiple Dwelling, Single Dwelling  
Current Function:  Commerce/Trade, Domestic  
Current Sub-function:  Business, Multiple Dwelling, Single Dwelling


i am going to see if I can find out how many houses there were when the original survey was done.  The Hazouri adminstration took down many houses, in fact at one point SPAR brought an injuction against the city to prevent two going down but, it failed.   There was an organization called PRIDE - preservations and restoration instead of demolition.  I do not know where that figure of over 4000 came from for Riverside and Avondale, where did you get that figure?

[ChriswUfGator]

Your own figures show about 3000 in R'side/Avondale, no?

[mtraininjax]

Telfair Stockton's orginal dream was only Talbot, Edgewood, Avondale and Challen. By that measure, the "shops of Avondale" are outside the scope, as is most of "Avondale".

[grimss]

The figure of over 4,000 structures comes from including West Avondale (everything below Talbot--the Avondale shops to the bottom of the S-curve), which is part of the local JAX historic district boundaries of Riverside Avondale. The paperwork has long been in the works nationally to include this West Avondale section (frankly, the bulk of what most of us think of as Avondale), but for some reason it never shows up on the NRHP website.

Re. the original "Telfair Stockton dream" of Avondale, you're right, it was only 4 1/2 blocks. However, something like over 14 subdivisions comprise what we now know of as Avondale.

[fsu813]

The Springfield spread is on pages 1 & 2