TPO plan includes $777M in bus, commuter rail and more

[Reaper man]

Rebuild the Matthews?  I hope they somehow implement a walkway.  That would be nice.

[tufsu1]

I agree that we need to re-populate our urban areas and that they should accomodate much of the expected population growth.

The problem with NIMBY is that it applies to everything and everywhere....just look at the Springfield threads....clearly that community wants renewal, but can't even agree on whether a car wash should be allowed on a site that has historically been a car wash!

The result of the NIMBY mentality is that some developers look for land away from other people...its far easier not dealing with neighborhood groupsand such.

[thelakelander]

You got that right.  That's a real fear I have concerning the future of Main.  Too much NIMBYism can label an area as a place to avoid in the development world.  In the end, the things NIMBYs really want, also end up looking for land away from other people.

[JeffreyS]

Such a good point Tufsu1. The perfect example is The Jackson square development. People would rather have their next door neighbors be prostitutes and drug dealers than risk improving the area and have one more car come down their street.

[fsujax]

^^very well said JeffreyS. It is so true and sad at the same time.

[jandar]

and where would you suggest the additional 10 million Floridians (and 100 million Americans) expected between now and 2030 live?

We can't all be NIMBYs

Tufsu, if they really show up, they can live in close-in, high density housing.  Where do you think we will put people when we run out of buildable land?  Do we give up all our forests, agriculture, wetlands, and remaining natural areas for endless houses, stores, and roads?  At some point, it must come to an end as our current path of development is not sustainable from an ecosystem, infrastructure, economic, natural resource, or environmental standpoint.  The sooner we deal with these limitations and adjust for them the better.

Live right or die!

Problem with this line of thinking, is that some people will then claim imminent domain over someone's 20 acres of land that have been in their family for generations, just to plan an apartment building. (hey high density over land use right?)

There are still a lot of acreage owners on the southside of Jax, same with westisde and northside. I'd say Duval alone could handle another 7-10 million people.

Some of us would rather see stars at night over seeing our neighbors fight on their balcony.

[stjr]

Problem with this line of thinking, is that some people will then claim imminent domain over someone's 20 acres of land that have been in their family for generations, just to plan an apartment building. (hey high density over land use right?)

Well, what do you think happens when FDOT uses eminent domain to build the Outer Beltway to support urban sprawl?  By the way, I think using eminent domain for an apartment building, while perhaps not unheard of, is far, far rarer than taking land for urban sprawl projects.

...Some of us would rather see stars at night over seeing our neighbors fight on their balcony.

With light pollution from urban sprawl, no telling how many hundreds of miles you might need to travel to see the stars.  Sure isn't going to be within 30 miles or more of Jax (unless you head into the ocean) for much longer.

[jandar]

With light pollution from urban sprawl, no telling how many hundreds of miles you might need to travel to see the stars.  Sure isn't going to be within 30 miles or more of Jax (unless you head into the ocean) for much longer.

Thats true, although it is hilarious, of all of the AGW and Tree Huggers and others that I meet, Light Pollution is not even thought of.

[Charles Hunter]

Seems if you limit sprawl development, you preserve trees, and could reduce the emission of greenhouse gasses through compact, efficient development, which leaves more places that aren't polluted by light.  Just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't important, and part of the "package".

[Ocklawaha]

Seems if you limit sprawl development, you preserve trees, and could reduce the emission of greenhouse gasses through compact, efficient development, which leaves more places that aren't polluted by light.  Just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't important, and part of the "package".

I love lights Charles, Mars Lights, Headlights, Crossing Lights, Marker Lights, Lantern Lights, Dwarf Lights, Semaphore Lights... etc. I just wish we had more of them.

OCKLAWAHA

[north miami]

For those of you that love lights.......why not bring a glowing torch to the Decembr 17th "Regional Planning Council" Leggo meeting.Peter Rummell.......and 'enviro love fest' John Delaney attending.

First ever "Florida League Of Progress" Notheast Fla. "event" by absolute take over since Miami Herald's Carl Haasen's "Kick Ass" editorial "Jacksonville's Millionth Mania" effort-referencing "North Miami".

[tufsu1]

that doesn't even make sense

[Reaper man]

that doesn't even make sense

I'm quickly starting to realize that a lot of what north miami says makes no sense.

[NthDegree]

For those of you that love lights.......why not bring a glowing torch to the Decembr 17th "Regional Planning Council" Leggo meeting.Peter Rummell.......and 'enviro love fest' John Delaney attending.

First ever "Florida League Of Progress" Notheast Fla. "event" by absolute take over since Miami Herald's Carl Haasen's "Kick Ass" editorial "Jacksonville's Millionth Mania" effort-referencing "North Miami".

I know what north miami is saying, albeit in a cryptic way.   You are invited to the December 17th the N.E. Florida Regional Planning Council hosts its First Coast "Reality Check" Roll Out at UNF -- bring your pitch forks and torches ...   


BTW-

Has anyone here read this?

http://www.realitycheckfirstcoast.com/images/index_37_1747208176.pdf
 

[buckethead]

Where can I get one of those descramblers?