Hogans Creek Park Master Plan

[thelakelander]

Also, I do believe the Health Department was built on land donated to the city for the exclusive purpose of being permanently a park.  They city found a way around it and built those buildings.  Loosing them would not be a bad idea.

Who would consume the costs of relocation? Will they pick up and relocate for free?  

If they do, do we really want them out of the neighborhood or is there another spot in the area where they can contribute to the urban landscape more positively?

[heights unknown]

I agree with "SheClown;" why not try and preserve as much of the historic components and aspects of the Park and Springfield by renovationg, upgrading, and building upon what's already there insteady of demolishing, tearing down and rebuilding.  We've lost too much of our heritage, in so many different ways in the past half a century. But if they do decide to tear down and rebuild, they'd better do it smartly, effectively, and in a way that will lure citizens to it and not let it be another wasteful something that we built and no one used.

Heights Unknown

[BridgeTroll]

Natural State???

[thelakelander]

Or this.....

[ChriswUfGator]

IMO, any viable plan for this project needs to;

A: Incorporate funds for a simple lock/dam located at the head of the creek to control the creek's tidal flux.

Despite what FSU says, the mouth of the creek really isn't that big and this wouldn't cost that much. The original device was really just a wooden spillway that cost next-to-nothing to begin with. Pictures have been posted of it here before. It doesn't have to be elaborate, and in fact the original was inexpensive and far from elaborate, and it worked great for a long time. We're not talking about the Hoover Dam here.

B: Repair the ORIGINAL balustrades and Klutho items, rather than just tearing them down and replacing them with look-a-like's. Again, I can't even believe we're actually discussing this.

[fsu813]

Zoo mentioned earleir that a lock/pump system is not out of the question afterall.....

I can believe we are actually discussing it. That's the whole purpose of going through drafts: to discuss and get input.

[billy]

Doesn't part of the flooding problem also have to do with the increased drainage area?
That is, the total area of impervious surface contributing to the volume of storm water draining
into the creek is greater now than when the park was built.
 

[billy]

I am not wild about tearing down a portion of the structures at the rear (eastern) Claude Nolan Cadillac dealership.

[reednavy]

It doesn't really matter what they do with the canal section, because if the St. Johns is high and the water has nowhere to go, you're screwed either way.

Just like the pic of Fay's flooding Lake posted, there is no way getting around that.

[fsu813]

Billy & Rednavy,

Yes. That was the point of widening the creek, and having small resevoir areas along the way, and leaving some of the edges along side the creek as 'natural habibat' for flooding.

[thelakelander]

Zoo mentioned earleir that a lock/pump system is not of the question afterall.....

I can believe we are actually discussing it. That's the whole purpose of going through drafts: to discuss and get input.

Its also one of the background reasons for the creation of the Metro Jacksonville website and the forum.  Many of the items and input provided in a thread like this can be used as valuable background information for those designing and shaping projects like the Hogans Creek Master Plan.

[ChriswUfGator]

What I meant by that comment was that I couldn't believe anyone would think about tearing down these historic Klutho structures in the first place. I think it's nuts that anyone would even suggest that as part of a proposal.

[Ocklawaha]

In addition, it also calls for the complete demolition of Klutho's historic balustrades. In their place, the creek will be allowed to expand and flow more freely.

The nicest thing would be to see the historic features preserved, but understand that Klutho was a designer not a builder. He didn't build the balustrades, he designed them, if we went with new ones it could still be HIS design.

Hogan's Creek will still flood until the City-State fixes the tiny box culvert under the Arlington Expressway, right under where State, Union, and the Expressway meet.

The bridges all along need to be raised about 6 feet, this WOULD allow canoe, kayak or gondola boats to pass. As it is now, unless your a micro-person on a paddle board, you are not getting under them.

That micro-grocery is a great idea IF there is high traffic otherwise it will flop. The same concept is used with fantastic results in Medellin, Colombia, where modern parks and plazas have purpose build micro-shops. Dunkin Donuts is one of the most popular and has a lot of experience in the micro-trade. Understand that Medellin also has full size versions of all of these places so this is not some 3Rd world freak.

OCKLAWAHA

[ChriswUfGator]

So Frank Lloyd Wright or I.M Pei were out there swinging their own hammers? LOL

Come on, it doesn't happen. The original balustrades are no less Klutho's work because the one man didn't physically pour them himself. That's normal, and par for the course. They are historic structures, created by our only real local architect of note. They should be saved!

[Overstreet]

I used to sit at the University Medical Cetner Construciton site (1995) and  watch the Health Department parking lot flood up to windshields during significant thunderstorms.  I'm sure those employees would like to move away from the creek.