Caution: LA is coming to steal your NFL team in 2011

[jandar]

Boo-hoo.  Are you really not going to the game because the ticket is $7 more expensive than it is in Charlotte?  Give me a break.  You just want something for nothing.  You want other people to go to the games so you can watch it for free on tv.

Times are tough, yada  yada yada... but I sincerely doubt the sales would explode if the tickets were $33 instead of $40.

I don't go because I have a student loan payment of 4K plus a year, and a wife heading back for her Master's Degree in Education, while saving for my son's college.
If I had more disposable income, I would go. I don't right now.

I actually went to every game for a few years. NEZ.

So STFU with the Boo-Hoo. My bills and such make me give up a few things. The Jags are one of them.

I watch it for free anyways. I have a nice HD stream I can watch every sunday, regardless of local showings.

I make good money, I also spend shitload of it on bills and taxes.



My posting was simply pointing out that Jacksonville is not the 3rd cheapest NFL team for the cheap end, where those with the least of incomes would be purchasing it.

Those 44 to zip lashings aren't helping either.

It's a combination of everything, I think the 2008 season just sucked the life outta the fans and the economy only amplified it.

This is true David.

[Shwaz]

Jacksonville has a high unemployment rate, coupled with the cheaper seats being 20$ higher than other teams cheap seats and you have a problem.

False.

The Jags are in top 3 cheapest tickets and overall gameday experience cost.

FALSE!.

The Jags have 50$ cheap seats.
The 3rd lowest includes the overall stadium, where our lower bowl is less than most other teams.
But on an individual basis, the nosebleeds average 15$ more than most other teams.

Go look it up.

The average premium ticket price is 230$ for Jacksonville. This ranks as the 11th highest in the league.
http://teammarketing.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/nfl%20fci%202009.pdf

Off of Ticket Master (which Jaguars.com refers you to) Retail Ticket Prices for the cheapest seat (standing only/party pass not included)
Jacksonville: 50$
Oakland Raiders: 36$
Kansas City: 35$
Miami: 41$
Buffalo: 36$
Tennessee: 43$
Indy: 44$
Houston: 35$
Cleveland: 32$
Detroit: 50$
Minnesota: 15/30$
Carolina: 38$
New Orleans: 38$
Arizona: 50$
Seattle: 49$
St Louis: 40$

Care to tell me how the cheap seats are the 3rd lowest now?

Jandar False again.

No one is talking about premium ticket average and you're the one who brought up the Jags 'oh so expensive' bottom line ticket price. You obviously ignored the the report THAT YOU LINKED of average ticket price and then posted ticket master as a source.

If you refer to the 'Team Marketing Report" that was referenced for premium prices you'll find average regular ticket prices too. The Jaguars are 2nd to last at $57.34 which is $17.65 less than the league average.

For the record I did say 3rd cheapest in "overall gameday average cost" which is what you're missing... the big picture. Again. Looking at the report you posted you'll find the prices on everything from Beer to Parking to Ball Caps at or below the NFL average.

Why can't you see these prices as reasonable? Because you still can't afford to go?

[Wacca Pilatka]

I can surely understand if someone can't afford to go and I don't think anyone intends to be critical of fans who are in that situation.  And I can understand casual fans to whom the Jaguars are not that much of a priority.  But when there are a slew of comments saying "the Jaguars are too expensive and that's why I don't go," and then that commentator adds that he figured out a way to watch them for free, that's when Jaguar fans who are fighting to keep them in Jacksonville get frustrated with the sense of entitlement to a free product.

[jandar]

Why can't you see these prices as reasonable? Because you still can't afford to go?

Because I post the cheapest seats possible. Guess what, Jacksonville isn't the 3rd cheapest.
You are showing that you took some stats classes, you are spinning the numbers to your argument.

My numbers are not false, prove that the Jags have the 3rd CHEAPEST NOSEBLEED TICKET. They don't.

Read my post, Im busy paying off JU and UNF and St Leo as well as saving for my son.

[Steve]

^Stay tuned to the rest of the series.  This question will be answered once and for all.

[jandar]

I can surely understand if someone can't afford to go and I don't think anyone intends to be critical of fans who are in that situation.  And I can understand casual fans to whom the Jaguars are not that much of a priority.  But when there are a slew of comments saying "the Jaguars are too expensive and that's why I don't go," and then that commentator adds that he figured out a way to watch them for free, that's when Jaguar fans who are fighting to keep them in Jacksonville get frustrated with the sense of entitlement to a free product.

I've been watching them for free for years.
If I don't plan on buying tickets anyways, there is no lost revenue from me.

I have bought way more tickets than alot of those that state that we need to buy tickets probably have.

My family has lived in Jacksonville and South Georgia for well over 160 years. This is my home.
I love the Jags, but the arguments people make that they are cheap are a true fallacy.
The NFL ranks near dead last for affordability for entertainment. This is a fact.

I go to a few Suns games a year. I detest MLB and their salaries, but enjoy watching the game, so i take my son to a few each summer. I can spend 30$ for he and I and have a great time.

I can go to a movie with my wife and son and spend 25$ on a matinee with popcorn and such.

Point is, the NFL is not a cheap experience, especially in Jacksonville. I'm spending at least 150$ for my wife and son and I for 3 hours of entertainment.

Do I still go to some games? Yup, I have been to two this year. But season tickets? Nope, my student loans say pay me off first please.

[Shwaz]

Why can't you see these prices as reasonable? Because you still can't afford to go?

Because I post the cheapest seats possible. Guess what, Jacksonville isn't the 3rd cheapest.
You are showing that you took some stats classes, you are spinning the numbers to your argument.

My numbers are not false, prove that the Jags have the 3rd CHEAPEST NOSEBLEED TICKET. They don't.

Read my post, Im busy paying off JU and UNF and St Leo as well as saving for my son.

You say spinning I say showing the bigger picture.

You obviously have your monies spoken for with no disposable income left for Jags tickets. I'm not arguing against that. It wasn't about your situation, more directed to your excuse that our cheapest tickets were why we have blackouts obviously inferring that we are over priced. You have to consider the average ticket price and average gameday cost to be fair and going off the report you posted we are 2nd cheapest in the league in average ticket price and at or below average price on all other expenses.

[Wacca Pilatka]

I've been watching them for free for years.
If I don't plan on buying tickets anyways, there is no lost revenue from me.

I have bought way more tickets than alot of those that state that we need to buy tickets probably have.

My family has lived in Jacksonville and South Georgia for well over 160 years. This is my home.
I love the Jags, but the arguments people make that they are cheap are a true fallacy.
The NFL ranks near dead last for affordability for entertainment. This is a fact.

I go to a few Suns games a year. I detest MLB and their salaries, but enjoy watching the game, so i take my son to a few each summer. I can spend 30$ for he and I and have a great time.

I can go to a movie with my wife and son and spend 25$ on a matinee with popcorn and such.

Point is, the NFL is not a cheap experience, especially in Jacksonville. I'm spending at least 150$ for my wife and son and I for 3 hours of entertainment.

Do I still go to some games? Yup, I have been to two this year. But season tickets? Nope, my student loans say pay me off first please.

You're right, it's not cheap, and I don't mean to be rude.  I know there's a lot of people who want to go who can't financially justify going.  I know there's a lot of people who believe that the cost of tickets is not worth the entertainment value of the live stadium experience, and everyone's obviously entitled to their opinion on the matter.  (As you might guess, I love being able to go to the stadium.)  Surely everyone who posts on here who's passionate about ticket sales understands all that too.

I've just been getting frustrated lately with a number of Jaguar fans who initially cite ticket prices as their reason for not going, but then it turns out they've been doing things like driving out to Tallahassee to watch the games, or ultimately reveal that their real reason for not attending is the opinion that only teams who stomp their opponent every week are worth watching.   And some of them (on the Jaguar message board, I mean, not here) practically revel in the fact that they've found ways to watch the game for free and gleefully encourage others to not buy tickets.  That attitude, I'll never understand because it will cost the city the team and I badly want them to stay.  It was unfair of me to assume you were proposing the same.  I've just gotten sensitive on the overall subject.

I wish you many more years in Jacksonville, many great experiences at Jaguar games or other venues with your family, and that all families in Jacksonville will always have the option to experience Jaguar home games.

[David]

I agree with you, but we lost one game 41-0 and a couple of others by double digits.  No need to inflate it when a lot of people are seemingly looking for an excuse not to go or to trash the team anyway.  The team's 4-4, not an endless victim of beatdowns.

The game @ Seattle was our 2nd worst loss in team history, no need to inflate! That game was utterly devestating. I was literally depressed for 3 days, but went to the Rams game the next week and hung in for that nail biter.

That game against the Jets today gave me heart palpitations, very intense.

The season's barely over halfway over and we've already won as many games than all of 2008 combined. It can't be any worse than last year. So that's a ray of sunshine for all fans who feel defeated. The only way to go is up.

[NotNow]

It is just entertainment.  If you don't want to spend $100, don't go.  I think the games are loads of fun and I enjoy the day.  I think that the team builds a lot of civic pride as have the NFL teams in other cities that I have lived in.  There will be bad years and good years, just like any sports team.  Isn't that part of the fun? 

For those of you that are not used to this board, don't let the negativity get to you.  Many on this board wail about the failings of Jax, Jags, local anything, etc.   This is a great city and the Jag's have outperformed most NFL teams and have certainly entertained us over the last fifteen years. 

[GENTRY]

It's already a done deal in Wayne's mind. It's just a matter of when and where. See my comment in. "How 'bout them Jags."

I guess I should not bother showing up for the remaining game then.

No. You most certainly should show up. I do. It's just unfortunate that we don't have enough devoted fans. I'm sure if you go to the games you can attest that it's really not that expensive. Jacksonville simply has a bad case of apathy when it comes to buying tickets. Think about how many big name talents don't tour through Jax. Think about how many big name talents cancel due to lack of ticket sales. Even though a promoter may cite a cold or sore throat as the reason for cancellation.

Go to the games. I'll be in the nose bleed seats LOL.

[GENTRY]

It's already a done deal in Wayne's mind. It's just a matter of when and where. See my comment in. "How 'bout them Jags."

Now that we have a mind reader on the forum getting to the bottom of things should be a snap.

UGH. I can't believe how many people are blind in Jax. Even the national sports commentators are bringing the subject up. I'll make it simple. Wayne Weaver owns a business. The business is not doing well. What does Wayne do?

A. Sell the business?
B. Close up shop and absorb the loss?
C. Go broke waiting for things to get better?
D. Take a chance in a market substantially larger?

Don't you remember the market size was the fear of the NFL from the start? How many games have you gone to? I'll show you my stubs. I'm not a mind reader, I'm just intelligent.

[reednavy]

They've been talking about Jax for years, how is this any different this time? Seriously, what was the major shift to make trash talking about a Jacksonville NFL franchise be brought to the national level.

They did it when we got the team, the Super Bowl, and it is no different.

That said, you're part of the problem, talking about how they're leaving, it is a done deal, etc. Until facts are brought forward the Mr. Weaver is in deed moving the team, shut up about moving and spreading fear, that's all your kind of talk is doing.

Either put up or shut up, seems like a pretty simple thing to do IMO. I honestly don't really care for the NFL because I'm a college guy, but if I can, I go and support, even if I am a Titans fan. I support the team that is here, just like everyone else should be doing in any sort of way, whether it be at the game or just having a bumper sticker, let it be known.

Hell, yesterday I saw a man wearing a Jaguars visor up here in Murfreesboro, right outside of Nashville, and people actually recognized the logo.

[JeffreyS]

It's already a done deal in Wayne's mind. It's just a matter of when and where. See my comment in. "How 'bout them Jags."

Now that we have a mind reader on the forum getting to the bottom of things should be a snap.

UGH. I can't believe how many people are blind in Jax. Even the national sports commentators are bringing the subject up. I'll make it simple. Wayne Weaver owns a business. The business is not doing well. What does Wayne do?

A. Sell the business?
B. Close up shop and absorb the loss?
C. Go broke waiting for things to get better?
D. Take a chance in a market substantially larger?

Don't you remember the market size was the fear of the NFL from the start? How many games have you gone to? I'll show you my stubs. I'm not a mind reader, I'm just intelligent.

There is a serious problem but  if you do not have inside info you may want to quit disparaging the motives of Jax's most benevolent citizen.

The only stub I saved was from the fisrt game.

[ac]

Just an FYI-  Touchdown Jacksonville! Is holding a "pep rally" at 5:30 tomorrow, 11/17, in the West Club area of the stadium. Open to all, park in lot J.

They'll be going over some of their plans and introducing a discount offer for the Colts game on 12/17, which is their focus for this season.  Maurice Jones-Drew and Tony Boselli will be in attendance.

For all our twitter & fb friends! Pep rally tomorrow 5:30 at the stadium! Mojo & Boselli will be in attendance! Park in lot J

http://twitter.com/TouchdownJax