New Convenience Store

[Springfield Girl]

Not out of context. Just backing up my earlier stance after Sheclown disagreed. I claimed commercial zoning intrusion as the early reason for decline, she claimed violent social upheavals. Crime and blight move into an area after it declines.
And the carwash is not along one of the MAIN COMMERCIAL ARTERIES as you quoted but a residential side street. Out of context?

[thelakelander]

And the carwash is not along one of the MAIN COMMERCIAL ARTERIES...

The car wash is off Main Street.  Just because the entrance is off 4th does not mean its not along the Main Street commercial corridor, which is literally everything between the alleys on either side of Main.

[Springfield Girl]

Right, NOT on Main St. Guess we will just have to disagree on whether W. 4th Street is a MAIN COMMERCIAL ARTERY or not. There is a whole other RE parcel between the carwash and Main St. This may be part of the confusion.

[thelakelander]

Everything between the alleys immediately paralleling Main, is a part of the Main Street commercial district.  When I get some extra time, I'll post a zoning and land use map to visually explain what I'm taking about.

[cindi]

so, let me get this straight, if the guy wanted to come in open a convenience store that sells nothing but singles, cigarettes, rolling papers and condoms there would be nothing anyone could do?  seriously, i am just asking.

[Springfield Girl]

I understand the zoning but 4th. St. and Main St. are two characteristically different locations. You can't say that 4th St. is comparable to Main St. in size, traffic or surrounding uses.

[thelakelander]

so, let me get this straight, if the guy wanted to come in open a convenience store that sells nothing but singles, cigarettes, rolling papers and condoms there would be nothing anyone could do?  seriously, i am just asking.

YES.

[thelakelander]

I understand the zoning but 4th. St. and Main St. are two characteristically different locations. You can't say that 4th St. is comparable to Main St. in size, traffic or surrounding uses.

Its no different than 3rd & Main having a driveway to 3rd, Chan's to 5th or Hola to Phelps.  In fact its pretty common all the way down Main Street that commercial properties have access drives to side streets between the alleys.  As Main develops more will come.  You can't have a walkable urban Main Street if all the access driveways are on Main.  

[cindi]

so, would it be better to have a convenience store that sold nothing but the singles etc or what he is planning? if nothing else i would think the car wash would generate less litter.

[jason_contentdg]

so, let me get this straight, if the guy wanted to come in open a convenience store that sells nothing but singles, cigarettes, rolling papers and condoms there would be nothing anyone could do?  seriously, i am just asking.

YES.

He doesn't even want to do a convenience store, he'd rather just have a full service car wash...

[Dan B]

Thanks for posting that Matt. I had also heard that bit of info, its good to see that Silas is not acting without the owners permission.

[zoo]

Btw, the same could go for Uptown Market.  If things don't work out, what stops them from changing their commercial model to something that's already allowed by the zoning, that will lead to more profitability?  Why wasn't the same concern addressed with them?

Why wasn't the same concern addressed with Gallery Restaurant Group? That's is an easy one, Lake...

Gallery Restaurant Group is a proven commodity. They know how to launch and run a successful restaurant that has had careful planning and thought put into the target audience, the product mix, the merchandising (environment), the operations, etc. Burrito Gallery downtown and the concession they have in the stadium (forget the name) are the proof they know what they are doing, and that they will do what they say. It also doesn't hurt that two of the owners are otherwise invested as residents of this community.

Not saying I'm for or against at this point. Just wondering why no one has been able to come up with the locations or details on the "other car washes" that Mr. Jones claimed to own and operate? Will that information become available before Nov 12 hearing?

[FinnegansWake]

Anyone know who the contractor is renovating/building the car wash? I am looking to renovate one on NAS Jax and add a touch-free, and hopefully have it LEED certified. Please email...

Or if anyone knows of someone who is experienced...

Thanks...
Phil Collins

[zoo]

As a matter of fact I do, but as I stated before, they are NOYFB.

[nvrenuf]

Anyone know who the contractor is renovating/building the car wash? I am looking to renovate one on NAS Jax and add a touch-free, and hopefully have it LEED certified. Please email...

Or if anyone knows of someone who is experienced...

Thanks...
Phil Collins

Hey Phil, I think Johnny looked into it as a potential venture not oh so long ago. He may still have some of that info for you.

Best of luck,
The other Phil