do you really know your neighbor?

[ChriswUfGator]

Also, nvrenuf, I'm not trying to be picky, but on your list I think the following were probably wrong place/time or age "gotcha" situations:

Rodrick Keith Young
Address: 1912 Walnut St
Crime: Lewd Or Lascivious Battery Victim 12-15 Years Old; F.S. 800.04(4); sex Offnder Fail Comply Registration; F.S. 943.0435(9)
Date of birth: 1981-09-09
Based on this official offender page
Adjudication Date   Crime Description    Court Case Number    Jurisdiction & State   Adjudication
05/23/2001   Lewd or lascivious battery victim 12-15 years old; F.S. 800.04(4)
0105234   DUVAL, FL
Adjudication Withheld

This kid was only 19 on the date of his final adjudication in May 2001. Then speaking realistically, the "offense" likely occurred at least a year or two prior to that, perhaps even longer. Once you waive speedy trial, things can really drag out. So looking at the information, the "offenders" birth date is September of 1981, and then taking the victim's age range according to the original charge under FS 800.04, it appears this was probably a 16 or 17 year old kid with a 15 year old kid. To put it in perspective, that's a high school freshman dating a high school junior or sophomore. Unless you have more information on this one, I doubt this was really a "sex crime".

Chavlis Taiwaun Williams
Address: 1616 Silver St
Crime: Abuse Of Child,Eng Sex Perfm; F.S. 827.071(2) (Principal)
Date of birth: 1975-12-04
Based on this official offender page
Adjudication Date   Crime Description    Court Case Number    Jurisdiction & State   Adjudication
05/12/1999   ABUSE OF CHILD,ENG SEX PERFM; F.S. 827.071(2) (PRINCIPAL)
9902368   DUVAL, FL
Adjudication Withheld

This one is also likely a wrong place/time situation. Apparently the judge agreed with me, considering the withhold of adjudication, in both this case and the one above.

This guy has a December of 1975 birth date, and an adjudication date of May 1999. As of the date of conviction, the kid was only 23, and the actual incident probably occurred at least a year or two or three prior to that date. The statute he was cited under at that time required only that the "victim" be <18. So in all likelihood, this could have been a 19 or 20 year old kid with a 17 year old kid. Again, unless you have more information on this one, I don't consider that a "sex crime".

Neil Christian Allen
Address: 1924 N Market St
Crime: Lewd Aslt/Sex Bat Vctm<16; F.S. 800.04(3) (Principal)
Date of birth: 1976-02-04
Based on this official offender page
Adjudication Date   Crime Description    Court Case Number    Jurisdiction & State   Adjudication
05/27/1999   LEWD ASLT/SEX BAT VCTM<16; F.S. 800.04(3) (PRINCIPAL)
9903919   DUVAL, FL
Not Available

Same deal as above. Looking at the dates, this could well have been an 18 or 19 year old kid with a 15 or almost-16 year old kid. I doubt this was really what most people would consider a "sex crime".

Also, as a side note, my date ranges are assuming the "incidents" (if you can call them that) were reported the same day as they occurred. Which is almost certainly not the case. Assuming you don't waive speedy trial, then it takes 6 months to get to trial, and it could still conceivably be a year or longer by the time sentencing rolls around. If the defendant does waive speedy trial, then all bets are off, and these things can really drag out awhile, depending on discovery, etc. So if you start adding the statute of limitations on top of all of that, then these "offenders" could very well have been (and, looking at the dates, quite likely were) very close to the "victim's" ages.

Again, unless there is some additional information, it would appear these aren't child molestation cases, or even what most normal people would consider a "sex crime".

Without trying to take a side, you don't know how wrong you are about these guys.  Whatever method you are using to pick out "non" cases, throw it out.

And what method are you using? Care to elaborate?

[NotNow]

You can go and get a copy of the arrest docket.  It is public record.

[ChriswUfGator]

You can go and get a copy of the arrest docket.  It is public record.

Exactly...

[ChriswUfGator]

Ok, so let's take Neil Christian Allen as an example.

Per your own advice, pull the docket sheet. His original offense date was 02/01/1995, making him 18 years old at the time he allegedly had sex with a minor under 18. I originally guessed 20, so he actually comes out a year better than what I guesstimated.

https://showcase.duvalclerk.com/ViewCaseDetails.aspx?id=4957838&court=0

So yeah, exactly how am I 'off' again? 

[ChriswUfGator]

Division:           CR-B
Offender #:   1995-003978
Offense Date:   02/01/1995
Clerk File Date:   03/07/1995
Incident #:           1995-0000000
SA #:           95CF003344AD
Agency:           JSO
Sheriffs #:           498709

[NotNow]

Allen is a POS.  You might want to check your facts on the age of the girl. He hasn't done a real good job staying out of jail since then either.  Get a look at the statement of probable cause.  Trust me, you don't want to make your argument with these guys.

[NotNow]

While your at it, look up the other two.  By the way, how is Neil Allen doing these days?  How old was the girl Rodrick knocked up?  Can you get that out of the clerks files?  I'm not trying to offend you Chris, and I don't disagree with your point, but you are pulling the wrong cases for your argument.  If this happens as often as you think, it should be easy to find some REAL "non" cases.

[ChriswUfGator]

While your at it, look up the other two.  By the way, how is Neil Allen doing these days?  How old was the girl Rodrick knocked up?  Can you get that out of the clerks files?  I'm not trying to offend you Chris, and I don't disagree with your point, but you are pulling the wrong cases for your argument.  If this happens as often as you think, it should be easy to find some REAL "non" cases.

Do you know any of those three personally?

[Dog Walker]

NN, can you give us a quick tutorial on how to look up arrest dockets online?

[NotNow]

You will have to take the JSO CCR # and go to a substation or 501 E. Bay St. and order up the report.  General report will have the information in the narrative, but the Arrest and Booking Report will have the probable cause statement of the arresting Officer.  I am sorry but I do not believe that these are retrievable online.

And Chris, I have experience with Rodrick.

[ChriswUfGator]

And Chris, I have experience with Rodrick.

I'll take your word for it then. I've never met any of them in person.

[Dog Walker]

NN, How do you get the JSO CCR#?  Is there any way to just look through the arrest reports at the sub-station to try to get a sense of what is going on in a particular area?

[NotNow]

It is listed as Incident # in the county and clerks records and will start with a year, such as 09-000000.  Or if you want, you can give the substation Officer  a location and date and they can look it up.  This can be tricky as sometimes the reporting address is different from the location of the crime.  The JSO web site has county wide stats.  They are about to put up stats by zone.  Look under "Patrol" and then pick the zone out that you want to look at. 

JSO is working at making more information online.  StephenDare! has made several very good suggestions and I have passed them on.  We really need to have someone who is adept at online communication look at what we do and try to improve the availibility of immediate information via facebook, twitter, etc.

[Dog Walker]

I also think online availability would be useful to the officer on the street.  (S)He could look up reports for an area when investigating a complaint to see if there was a history of similar problems nearby and get a sense of pattern immediately while still on the scene.

I also think that if the general public had a better view of what was going on in a particular area it might make them alert to suspicious behaviors.

What would be some of the "real life" rather than technical problems that might arise if people had online, easy access to officers' reports.  Is there a possibility for abuse in there?

[NotNow]

Wow, you are scaring me.  Those are all good ideas.  One of our big weaknesses right now is the dispatch system.  (Because of many factors) it just takes too long to get a call dispatched.  While not replacing dispatch, this could solve some of that problem.  Hmm,