SPAR's "RED ALERT" aimed at neighbors...uses Proton Lab staff and faculty ?!?

[samiam]

Was there a public hearing for 3rd and main for its use?

[thelakelander]

Its not a rooming house by code.

A hotel would classify as a commercial use.  CCG-S is allowed all up and down Main Street.  However, 3rd & Main is a PUD.  A planned unit development is allowed to have its own special set of zoning requirements that are approved by the council.

Anyway, you can find out the PUD's exact uses by giving the planning department a visit or call, if they aren't already on COJ's website.  Its all public record.

[jason_contentdg]

so its a rooming house, then.

Awesome.

Well seems like the best of all possible times to be redefining rooming house and group homes and treatment facilities doesnt it?

Does Bill Cesery know about this nonsense?

It is mutli-family construction regardless, even before looking at the extended stay aspect of it. Are you trying to compare the structure at 3rd and main to a single family residence operating as a rooming house?

[jason_contentdg]

12,165 posts would deem that statement false.  They are at least meaningful to someone.

[samiam]

A rooming house is any building in which renters occupy single rooms and share kitchens, bathrooms, and common areas. The building may be a converted single-family house, a converted hotel, or a purpose-built structure. Rooming houses may have as few as three rooms for rent, or more than a hundred

[thelakelander]

Stephen, zoning-wise you're opinion, in this case, does not have a leg to stand on.  3rd & Main isn't a rooming house by any means, according to Jax's official adopted zoning ordinance.

[GideonGlib]

It might seem that I live in a rooming house then. I have a few roommates,all of whom are professionals,  and we share a 3,000 sq. foot house on Laura Street. When we lived in Avondale in a smaller home and it was never an issue,  but we decided to give Springfield a shot. I never have consider myself a "rooming house" sort of person, and frankly thought I added more to the neighborhood than I detracted from it. If the neighborhood thinks we are not the right sort of people, I suppose we will gladly move back to Richmond Street or near when our lease is up.

[samiam]

I have not been in any of the rooms at 3rd and main, do they have there own bathrooms and kitchens

[zoo]

I have a few roommates

GG, if you use the term "few" correctly (to mean 3), than I believe your situation fits within the description of how many non-family members can legally occupy a single-family home. I think you could even have one more roommate?

If you have more than 4 un-related roommates, then I believe you would be in violation of the current law, and could be subject to enforcement of the law if someone issued a complaint through the City's Code Enforcement division. Hopefully that isn't the case, and you're enjoying living in Springfield!

[samiam]

Well if they have kitchens and bathrooms its by definition not a boarding house.

[Dan B]

The equivalency your desperatly attempting to make is stupid.

Nobody is trying to shut down legally operating facilities (including Joe and Glorias). These are protected by the overlay.

If their facilities had a bedroom and kitchen for each and every client, I dont think anyone would have a single complaint.

[samiam]

Is 3rd and main only for temporary treatment or can anyone rent them

[Dan B]

Is 3rd and main only for temporary treatment or can anyone rent them

I believe anyone can rent them.

This is a strawman argument, and should be wholly discounted.

[strider]

I have a few roommates

GG, if you use the term "few" correctly (to mean 3), than I believe your situation fits within the description of how many non-family members can legally occupy a single-family home. I think you could even have one more roommate?

If you have more than 4 un-related roommates, then I believe you would be in violation of the current law, and could be subject to enforcement of the law if someone issued a complaint through the City's Code Enforcement division. Hopefully that isn't the case, and you're enjoying living in Springfield!

Jennifer, Oh, I meant Zoo (she often uses my real name), before you give advise about anything else, I suggest you go and learn about the subject.  This has been covered here time and time again and yet, you, and to be honest, many others, fail to accept the actual truth. So you can't say I made it up, here is the actual e-mail to Louise DeSpain from Sean Kelly, containing the actual definition of what is considered a family.  But thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to show once again how little truth comes out of the small group of people supporting SPAR Council in over this issue.  Remember too that the Overlay does not cover this isue, it is done for all of Jacksonville.



You do see where it is actually FIVE (5) and under, do you not?

[zoo]

Joe, yeah, 5 and under.

If you have more than 4 un-related roommates

That's what I said -- one post-er ("you" in my quote above, "GG" in the previous post I addressed to them, and their "4 un-related roommates." Last time I checked 1+4=5, or are you practicing some kind of "new math" to go along with your "new law?"