SPAR's "RED ALERT" aimed at neighbors...uses Proton Lab staff and faculty ?!?

[strider]

[Dan B]

I dont see where its using Proton Lab Staff or faculty. It is CC'ing Gerry Troy, who is an employee at Proton, and who is a board memeber at SPAR.

Aside from that, your making hay over a pretty run of the mill, rally the troops email.

[Springfielder]

To be honest, I don't see a problem with the emails or the contents....as for Jucoby and her intentions...I agree that they're not neighborhood friendly ones

[sheclown]

"I like your plan and will support it fully and try to involve staff and faculty in the process."

Here he is referring to Proton Lab since SPAR does not have any "faculty."

[civil42806]

I keep telling you "15 year old girls"

[sheclown]

To be honest, I don't see a problem with the emails or the contents....as for Jucoby and her intentions...I agree that they're not neighborhood friendly ones

So, if you are not "neighborhood friendly" then the troops should be marshaled against you, even though what you are doing is LEGAL?

[Springfielder]

I didn't say that nor did I imply that. I just don't see where her effort to have this 'veterans' recovery house is a plus for the neighborhood. I'm okay with the already established facilities, I'm just against adding more of a facility that's likely to have a high turnover of clients

[Dan B]

To be honest, I don't see a problem with the emails or the contents....as for Jucoby and her intentions...I agree that they're not neighborhood friendly ones

So, if you are not "neighborhood friendly" then the troops should be marshaled against you, even though what you are doing is LEGAL?

It may be technically legal, but a lot of people in the neighborhood feel that this skirts the ideas behind limiting these types of facilities in the overlay.

If you want to be left alone, then stop supporting these under 6 style facilities, and run your business the way you say you do, and there shouldn't be any problems.

A halfway house, or a sober house, or whatever euphimism your using these days, simply isnt something most people in the commiunity want more of!

I recently emailed SPAR to suggest they bring you guys to the table to try to find middle ground to stop this stupid pissing contest, but the more I read your posts the more I realize there is no middle ground. You want to run your legal business, and then you want to find loopholes to run as many of these little quasi-sober houses as you can.

When you are ready to find common ground so that you can run your business and be 'left alone', let me know, and I will support you. Until then, realize, all you are doing by posting these emails is making the organization of SPAR be even less willing to work with you.

[Dan B]

"I like your plan and will support it fully and try to involve staff and faculty in the process."

Here he is referring to Proton Lab since SPAR does not have any "faculty."

Ambiguous wording at best.

[sheclown]

There are several issues here.  First, having a home for a small number of veterans in the neighborhood, its legal and overlay issues.  Second, the RED ALERT "controlled panic" that SPAR thrusts on the neighborhood.  The third issue is using the Proton Lab staff and faculty for this "attack."

The first issue has been discussed many times here especially on the "boarding house" thread.  

The second issue is alarming to me as I am the target of this attack and should be alarming to anyone who understands the nature of this sort of "call to arms."  

Today you may not be a target...tomorrow you may.

Finally, enlisting the aid of the Proton Lab to do neighborhood business is dangerous for them.  Afterall, they are a 501 C(3) and I seriously doubt that part of their mission statement is to provide staff and faculty to fight neighborhood battles.  You would think they would want to stay above such political hot topics.

[sheclown]

"I like your plan and will support it fully and try to involve staff and faculty in the process."

Here he is referring to Proton Lab since SPAR does not have any "faculty."

Ambiguous wording at best.

sent from a Proton Lab computer address

[untarded]

To be honest, I don't see a problem with the emails or the contents....as for Jucoby and her intentions...I agree that they're not neighborhood friendly ones

So, if you are not "neighborhood friendly" then the troops should be marshaled against you, even though what you are doing is LEGAL?

It may be technically legal, but a lot of people in the neighborhood feel that this skirts the ideas behind limiting these types of facilities in the overlay.

If you want to be left alone, then stop supporting these under 6 style facilities, and run your business the way you say you do, and there shouldn't be any problems.

A halfway house, or a sober house, or whatever euphimism your using these days, simply isnt something most people in the commiunity want more of!

I recently emailed SPAR to suggest they bring you guys to the table to try to find middle ground to stop this stupid pissing contest, but the more I read your posts the more I realize there is no middle ground. You want to run your legal business, and then you want to find loopholes to run as many of these little quasi-sober houses as you can.

When you are ready to find common ground so that you can run your business and be 'left alone', let me know, and I will support you. Until then, realize, all you are doing by posting these emails is making the organization of SPAR be even less willing to work with you.

Well said.  Sheclown you're only hardening the opposition against you and the 'quasi-sober houses'.

[ChriswUfGator]

I didn't say that nor did I imply that. I just don't see where her effort to have this 'veterans' recovery house is a plus for the neighborhood. I'm okay with the already established facilities, I'm just against adding more of a facility that's likely to have a high turnover of clients

The house is going in there because there is a need there. Why don't they build shelters on Southside Blvd., or Ponte Vedra, or Mandarin? Because for whatever reason, there aren't a lot of homeless people there.

They tend to gravitate to urban environments, because there's more stuff to sleep under, there are public parks to sit around in, etc., etc. The homeless people are already there, it's not like they're going to be flying them in from Seattle to fill up this house. LOL!

Your decision at this point is pretty much whether you want them sleeping indoors or behind your house. They're still going to be there either way, and in fact large numbers already live in the area. I really don't really see the downside.

[Dan B]

"I like your plan and will support it fully and try to involve staff and faculty in the process."

Here he is referring to Proton Lab since SPAR does not have any "faculty."

Ambiguous wording at best.

sent from a Proton Lab computer address

Gasp!

[Springfielder]

They tend to gravitate to urban environments, because there's more stuff to sleep under, there are public parks to sit around in, etc., etc. The homeless people are already there, it's not like they're going to be flying them in from Seattle to fill up this house. LOL!

Your decision at this point is pretty much whether you want them sleeping indoors or behind your house. They're still going to be there either way, and in fact large numbers already live in the area. I really don't really see the downside.

Yes, they gravitate to most downtowns in most cities...but they're also bused in from the beaches area.

As for whether or not we want them sleeping inside or in our parks, etc....so what, we should just sit back and continue to allow Springfield to be a dumping ground for more and more centers? No, we have more than our fair share, and we don't want more.