S.R. 16 Shands Bridge

[JaxBorn1962]

Is that your saying "Tolls are dumb"?

If you're no for tolls, then how do you expect some roads to be paid for. How do you think Orlando would be w/o toll roads? Matter of fact, what about all the other cities and states that have them?

If you're smart, you get a Sunpass or whatever, so you don't have to deal with the attendants. The newer toll plazas are reducing the number of attendant booths, as more people know that having the prepaid device is easier and allows for a smoother commute.

Even Smarter Don't use Your Wonderful and Great Toll Roads!

[reednavy]

I'd rather use a toll road that gets me somewhere quicker, rather than sitting in the mess that is either I-4, I-75, or I-95. Each city has it's own issue, and the toll roads are easier to use.

The one exception is the 408 (East-West Expy) in Orange County. That is and always has been FUBAR since the boom on the east side of Orange County.

[stjr]

JaxBorn1962, do you know British Shoe Company?  You guys sound an awful lot alike.

[tufsu1]

What is so HARD do you have BLINDERS ON we need a 1-2 cent SALES TAX IN DUVAL TO PAY FOR THE ROADS THAT COULD HAVE TOLLS ON THEM

What seems to be difficult is someone answering the question about how these "free" roads will be maintained....remember, a sales tax (which by the way the state won't allow locals to have an extra $0.02) can only be used for capital costs.

[north miami]

It is revealing but no surprise to see reference to the vast "Beltway" identified as "Shands Bridge".
Perhaps per design by the promoters.Key public hearings typically focused on 'crossing'.

At the height of the John Delaney love fest with the enviros John stated that we can't build our way out of congestion.
Soon after, his hand in beltway matters proved telling.

Certainly there are few examples of viable long term "alleviation".
New roadways always come with the assumption that we will vest additional development.The concept of a new roadway without companion development would send chills.

Erroneous promotion of Brannon/Chaffee as an 'alternate' and "alleviation" to Blandiing was spectacular....and a winner! (Even outrageous statements by former MPO Calvin Burey that 30,000 cars a day would use Brannon "as soon as it opens" were never recanted.(30,000 ADT-average daily traffic-was indeed a formal,'official' number.....that number to be realized after a period of time,as a result of new development)The FTU/Mike Clarke stuggled with this internally,just a little,but nothing out to the public.So the erroneous image remained.


Key land owner/beltway 'drivers' even attempted to route the beltway through the Ravines- state conservation lands.A contentious "Sector Plan" for Lake Asbury focused on citizens adamant about not having a Ravines route-unlike the previous Brannon/Chaffee sector plan the Asbury group was more dynamic and the pre determined wishes of the beltway supportes did not easily unfold.Turns out this Lake Asbury Sector Plan (#1) was in fact NEVER AUTHORIZED BY STATE DCA- a point revealed to all ,including a sharp Florida Wildlife Federation attorney,late in the process.( I still feel this aspect is worthy of formal investigation).
Plan # 2 process and the beltway Ravines alignment remain-we had to fight it back at the DCA level.
Later Reinhold attempted a land swap in attempt to retain the Ravines route, which would have brought on a Florida Constitutional amendment challenge relating to surplus of state conservation lands.

The fact that the Trust For Public Lands held a key option on 1900 acres of former Gulfstream land along Brannon/Chaffee ,most of which became Oakleaf smack dab in the middle of regional water recharge region is perhaps too provocative for most.

With the exception of the Florida Wildlife Federation (what a bummer of a name for a group so involved with people/resource matters-I get to say this as a former FWF Vice Chair) virtually none of the area conservation community is versed .Yes even the RiverKeeper.In fact,our furious gaze has recently glared at evil central Florid'a overgrowth during recent water wars while most are unaware of the yet unseen but vested 'sprawl' so quietly placed.
Only by completing the project will the truth be revealed. We can spare others areas this fate.

[reednavy]

I'm against the Outer Beltway, but tootally for a new Shands Bridge, which is why I started this topic.

[JaxBorn1962]

JaxBorn1962, do you know British Shoe Company?  You guys sound an awful lot alike.

No but Thanks I guess?

[JaxBorn1962]

I'm against the Outer Beltway, but tootally for a new Shands Bridge, which is why I started this topic.

And on the Shands Bridge if people WOULD SLOW DOWN this bridge could last a lot longer. You will get your new bridge when state road 23 comes thru Clay! Just Slow Down or have the FDOT place several (ticket camera's) out on the bridge to give all those speeders a $300.00 ticket for speeding!

[JaxBorn1962]

JaxBorn1962, do you know British Shoe Company?  You guys sound an awful lot alike.

No But that's because we are SMARTER then you!

[CS Foltz]

New Bridge would be nice but don't hold your breath!

[reednavy]

No But that's because we are SMARTER then you!

Well, it is "smarter than you".
I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

[JaxBorn1962]

No But that's because we are SMARTER then you!

Well, it is "smarter than you".
I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

Thanks Teacher can I go out and Play

[north miami]

For those of deeper thought/concern see my minutes old post on the 9a stream/page 4 & 5-including note to stevedare

[CS Foltz]

northmiami  I concur! There has always been much more to this overall picture than what has come out in the media and I have always been of the mind that  a - someone is going to make money on the sale of the property! b - someone is going to make money developing that part of the world! c - the taxpayers will get screwed again paying for a road to be put in that developers can build off of and the taxpayers will have the added expense of maintaining it! Shands Bridge needs to be upgraded or replaced but 9A & 9B Extensions are just for a select few to profit by!

[Ocklawaha]

SHANDS BRIDGE + Palatka's St. Johns Ship Building = JOBS $$

www.stjohnsshipbuilding.com/news.html

OCKLAWAHA