SPAR Tries to Pass Law to Ban Non Family Members from Living Together.

[fsu813]

Strider,

I looked at the house on Liberty Street that was for sale some months ago or so. Very nice house, with a twin (almost) right next store (your group home I guess).

I knew something was funny next door, that would explain it.

[fsu813]

Stephen,

no reason to manufacture contraversy.

misinterpretation, as i suspected.

[Joe]

No, I'm being very serious. You're definitely pushing toward the boundaries of libel.

Your first post characterizes an extremely common zoning practice as something it isn't. Implies that it will do things that it won't. And makes some pretty overt statements about SPARs intent and how they need to be stopped.

Honestly, I kind of assumed that Jacksonville ALREADY had zoning laws which prevented more than X number of non-relatives from living in the same unit together. I can't overemphasize how common that type of zoning is. It's really popular in college towns, for obvious reasons.

[civil42806]

I tell you a bunch of 16 year old girls

[thekillingwax]

Most of my neighbors are garbage tenants of Saoud and SPAR hasn't come around asking to see their lineage certificates yet, I'll get worried when there's actually something to be worried about.

[reednavy]

Chances of this "ordinance" passing, NIL.

[stjr]

The ordinance as proposed will have serious laws of unintended consequences.

Stephen, does this refer to SPAR or the bus shelter ordinance?   We do agree, unintended consequences can be bad!

[fsu813]

much ado about nothing.

[JeffreyS]

Five unrelated individuals is not a Gay couple, Unmarried couple or college roommate witch hunt.  Five unrelated individuals(I am no expert) doesn't seem like it would fit single family zoning.

[gmpalmer]

Stephen -- where does it say that a family is a group of up to five related individuals?  They can't limit the number of family members to five, certainly.  In the email you scanned it refers to non-family members.

[JagFan07]

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[JeffreyS]

the emails have to be scanned guys.

its not such a quick process, thanks!

This is apparently from spar speaks.  (omg. really? SPAR Speaks?)

The paragraph at the bottom is one of the mentions of this ordinance.

Stephen thanks for clarifying the ordinance. I was using the last line of this email as my reference.

[fsu813]

Stephen,

it's been established that this is not unusual in other cities, espeically college towns.

it's understandable that you weren't aware of it's widespread use, but now that you are.......why the outrage?

[fsu813]

Well if it's not established yet with you, let me help...

- Tallahassee:

Number of Unrelated People Cohabiting in a Single Family District

The Tallahassee Code of Ordinances restricts the number of unrelated people living in a residence to no more than three unless the address is specifically grandfathered by the City to allow more than three unrelated occupants. This requirement applies to zoning areas designated as single family. When you plan to share housing with roommates, you are required to either restrict the number of occupants to three or seek appropriate housing in a multi-family district.

Suspected violations should be reported to the Growth Management Department at 850/891- 7050.

http://www.tshc.fsu.edu/par/documents/COT%20FLYER-%20ordinances.pdf

- Chicago:

Along a tree-shaded street in Northbrook with manicured lawns, a single-story brick home has become the center of controversy.

The six people who have lived there for nearly a year are quiet, even reclusive, and do a fine job maintaining their rented house and yard, neighbors said.

But those same neighbors as well as village officials suspect that the men and women renting the home in the 4000 block of Michelline Lane are not all related to each other, which violates an ordinance prohibiting more than three unrelated people from living together under the same roof.

"They're not disruptive, as far as being loud," said neighbor Craig Heisner. "It's just the unnerving aspect of having people living in what we believe is a violation of code. It's about safety first and foremost. It's about adhering to the village code.

"You can't undermine the integrity of a neighborhood."

Municipal planners said such ordinances are getting closer scrutiny in communities across the Chicago suburbs and elsewhere in the country. Often enacted decades ago, they were designed to keep residential neighborhoods geared more toward families -- and to keep out such things as boarding houses.

As the village's lawsuit against the owner of the house heads back to court Friday, it focuses squarely on the changing definition of the word "family."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/northnorthwest/chi-northbrook-house-09-oct09,0,1432894.story

- Orlando:

Presiding over the hearing was a quorum of five code enforcement officials who stared blankly ahead, avoiding direct eye contact with the audience. Edgewood police officer Ron Beardslee stood at the front podium with his back to the crowd, nervously rifling though a stack of complaints and city ordinances, the legal framework for evicting the band.

The hearing was the result of a summons from the city of Edgewood. Code enforcement officers notified the band's landlord, April Castellano, that her six tenants had 10 days to get out. Castellano was looking at a $250-a-day fine if she didn't comply.

The musicians didn't play their music too loud, host wild parties or trash the house. Their transgression is that they are not a family, as defined by the city of Edgewood.

Sections 26-51 and 26-40 of the Edgewood city code state that no more than three persons can occupy a single-family residence unless they are related by blood, marriage or adoption. Orlando and Winter Park have similar codes. The laws are meant to prevent people from establishing boarding houses in the middle of neighborhoods zoned for R-1 single-family residences. No one goes door-to-door monitoring unrelated tenants.

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=3559

Does it need more establishing, Stephen?

This is obviously not unusual. While you may not agree with the concept, it is wide spread.

[fsu813]

No, i didn't miss it.

I was just showing you how this is not unsual......at all.

Laws are not perfect, most have unintended consequences. Just gotta do the best you can.