State Rd 9B

[reednavy]

9A is not getting it's bang for the buck. It does not have enough lanes to carry the amount of traffic it does during the weekday. The way it was built where 9B will junction with it is completely f*cked up as well.

It needs to be 3 lanes each way from JTB to where it widens at Philips Hwy.

9B doesn''t deserve a chance at all, once built, it could fail all day, but will still be there. Once it is built, there is no going back, so saying "give it a chance" is very dumb.

I do not trust this developer's dream project at all.

We're not years away from needing another form of transit to SJG(St. Augustine's airport code), it needs to be done now when Amtrak is apparently coming to the FEC tracks, and money is more than there to be used for such a project.

You may think otherwise, but you look like a fool cheering for 9B.

[thelakelander]

I noticed the other day that there is a fairly large isolated rural property with a commercial land use designation along 9B about half way between 9A and US 1.  The property surrounding it has a low density residential land use designation and runs up the east side of 9B/9A, all the way to the new high school near Baymeadows Road. 

So, the area has already been set up for low density sprawl.  9B will just be positioned to give that isolated land prime highway frontage.  With a lack of a street grid, if this area ever fully develops, expect choke points at Baymeadows, Philips and a future interchange with 9B.

[reednavy]

Really? Wow, I'm both surprised and unsurprised by the zoning there, and it hasn't even been built yet!

Is it so hard to even allow a grid pattern for streets? If one area needs it, it'll be this next boom area.

[thelakelander]

You would be amazed by how much of our rural land has already been entitled for unsustainable sprawl development.  If things are to change here, it will be national development trends changing and leading the way.

[Charles Hunter]

Points well taken, lakelander, but I don't think there's enough distance between 9a and Philips to add an interchange for any of that development. Especially since I think a lot of that area is 'wet'.  Which means the local traffic will load up on Baymeadows and Philips, as you said.

About the grid streets, our friends the developers say "the market doesn't want them."  How the heck do they know?  No one has built a grid street development in, what, 40 years?

[reednavy]

Of course you know that they'll advertise it is something like Nocacarp(tee), Bullsh*it(Bartram) Park, or Tapetrap(Tapestry) Park, where you can live, work, shop, dine, and play w/o ever leaving the neighborhood.

In Florida, hell in most locations, this so-called "smart growth" over all isn't, when it is done like this. Converting middle of nowhere forestland into sprawling, mulitcolored stucco crap, when developing what is already surrounded by other development or can be redeveloped is in a relatively urban area.

[stjr]

9A is not getting it's bang for the buck. It does not have enough lanes to carry the amount of traffic it does during the weekday. The way it was built where 9B will junction with it is completely f*cked up as well.

It needs to be 3 lanes each way from JTB to where it widens at Philips Hwy.

9B doesn''t deserve a chance at all, once built, it could fail all day, but will still be there. Once it is built, there is no going back, so saying "give it a chance" is very dumb.

I do not trust this developer's dream project at all.

We're not years away from needing another form of transit to SJG(St. Augustine's airport code), it needs to be done now when Amtrak is apparently coming to the FEC tracks, and money is more than there to be used for such a project.

You may think otherwise, but you look like a fool cheering for 9B.

Reednavy, I agree with your comments above 100%.  9A was built on the cheap and we will be paying double to fix it AND suffering the traffic nightmares until its made right.  Just like JTB and I-95.  We waste more $$$ doing things half ass than we spend right.  9B and the Outer Beltway are totally worthless projects and should be replaced by enhancing existing roads and forwarding mass transit.  Our fearless leaders, consultants, experts, planners, and whatevers are pawns of special interests and are failing us big time by not doing the right thing.

As to British Shoe, he/she seems to be here just to rile us up.  Hard to take seriously.  I've seen this type of poster on other boards.  They just crave attention and will say anything outrageous to get it.

[thelakelander]

Points well taken, lakelander, but I don't think there's enough distance between 9a and Philips to add an interchange for any of that development. Especially since I think a lot of that area is 'wet'.  Which means the local traffic will load up on Baymeadows and Philips, as you said.

About the grid streets, our friends the developers say "the market doesn't want them."  How the heck do they know?  No one has built a grid street development in, what, 40 years?

The commercial plot is a large centralized dry spot in the middle of all those wetlands.  I was actually suprised it was there.  Nevertheless, the location would suggest someone believes that 9B going through the center of this property increases its development potential.  I just checked the zoning.  Its CO or Commercial Office

You can use this link to map the site:
http://apps.coj.net/PAO_PropertySearch/Basic/Detail.aspx?RE=1680600010

Also, here is site plan of a property that has been set aside for a strip shopping center at I-95/9B/Race Track Road.  All it needs is 9B Phase II to become a reality.

http://www.bartramparkonline.com/bartramcommonssiteplan.pdf

http://www.bartramparkonline.com/bartramparkaerialsiteplan.pdf

[stjr]

The commercial plot is a large centralized dry spot in the middle of all those wetlands.  I was actually suprised it was there.  Nevertheless, the location would suggest someone believes that 9B going through the center of this property increases its development potential.  I just checked the zoning.  Its CO or Commercial Office

Lake, all this land is all owned by DDI or other entities of the Davis's of Winn Dixie and Nocatee fame.  The deed documents show they did some type of deal with JEA over the last few years but in the end they seem to have retained control of it.  So, 9B is just another "feeder" road for their Nocatee, eh?  Also, it appears to feed the Flagler Office Park Development.  Now you know why it's being built.

Too bad.  I was hoping the Davis's would become a hometown hero and arrange for their remaining DDI holdings to become a great national or state park.  Silly me?  Urban sprawl is better?

[Jason]

Too bad.  I was hoping the Davis's would become a hometown hero and arrange for their remaining DDI holdings to become a great national or state park.  Silly me?  Urban sprawl is better?

No, not better..... more profitable.   

[Ocklawaha]

9A is getting it's bang for it's buck.  Give 9B a chance.  Trust me

"Said the spider to the fly... why I haven't spun a single web since 1968..."

OCKLAWAHA

[British Shoe Company]

9A is not getting it's bang for the buck. It does not have enough lanes to carry the amount of traffic it does during the weekday. The way it was built where 9B will junction with it is completely f*cked up as well.

It needs to be 3 lanes each way from JTB to where it widens at Philips Hwy.

9B doesn''t deserve a chance at all, once built, it could fail all day, but will still be there. Once it is built, there is no going back, so saying "give it a chance" is very dumb.

I do not trust this developer's dream project at all.

We're not years away from needing another form of transit to SJG(St. Augustine's airport code), it needs to be done now when Amtrak is apparently coming to the FEC tracks, and money is more than there to be used for such a project.

You may think otherwise, but you look like a fool cheering for 9B.

Reednavy, I agree with your comments above 100%.  9A was built on the cheap and we will be paying double to fix it AND suffering the traffic nightmares until its made right.  Just like JTB and I-95.  We waste more $$$ doing things half ass than we spend right.  9B and the Outer Beltway are totally worthless projects and should be replaced by enhancing existing roads and forwarding mass transit.  Our fearless leaders, consultants, experts, planners, and whatevers are pawns of special interests and are failing us big time by not doing the right thing.

As to British Shoe, he/she seems to be here just to rile us up.  Hard to take seriously.  I've seen this type of poster on other boards.  They just crave attention and will say anything outrageous to get it.

[British Shoe Company]

"As to British Shoe, he/she seems to be here just to rile us up.  Hard to take seriously.  I've seen this type of poster on other boards.  They just crave attention and will say anything outrageous to get it."


I do not need, or want your attention.  I wanted a "clean" (pros, and cons) about 9B.  I gave my pros.  I see that there are people against it.  I am confident that all people against it are not in the Road Building, or Developing Real Estate Business.  Some of them make it personal.  That is where I find problems.  The BIBLE talks about controlling tempers, and what commith out of the mouth, is what commith from the heart.  I try to be a good hearted person.  I am confident that being for 9B does not make me a mean sprited person. 

[British Shoe Company]

9A except during rush hours, and crash sites is very speedy.  Airport all the way to I95 south of Jax. is so much faster than I295, and I95.  In Atlanta I75 is faster that the overcrowed loops.  9A is much faster than I95.  Also it helps the people going to the Beaches.  From Merrill Rd. to Phillips Hwy is the big Southside Blvd helper.  Southside Blvd. would be a total nightmare without 9A.

[British Shoe Company]

We need a barrier to separate the Northbound, and Southbound lanes to prevent deaths like the one that happened last week. ( tow truck crossed over into an SUV)