Are boarding houses really the problem?

[fsu813]

sheclown,

doesn't sound like you care that he was the definition of the word 'slumlord', involved in all sorts of "businesses".

[sheclown]

fsu813 -- I sent you a PM.

[strider]

For all those who have always said: "living by the ( insert you choice here), reduces your houses value", and have always inserted "either sober or recovery houses, well, here's a tidbit of info for ya....

(Oxford houses are basically rentals that are run as sober living facilites.)

In 2006, the Journal of Prevention & Intervention in the Community (The Hayworth Press) Vol. 31, No. 1/2, 2006, pp 41-49 published an article This Is My Neighborhood: Comparing United States and Australian Oxford House Neighborhoods foundâ€"independent of Oxford Houseâ,,¢ itselfâ€"that neighbors found Oxford Houseâ,,¢ residents made “good neighbors.” Quoting Jason, Roberts and Olson (2004) the authors found that “neighbors living in immediate proximity of a U.S. Oxford House considered the residents more positively than persons living several blocks away; moreover, property values on the block where the Oxford Houses were located did not decrease once the setting was established.” In fact, everywhere Oxford House has located property values increased â€" contrary to some of the unfounded fears that a few individuals sometimes fan when they learn an Oxford Houseâ,,¢ is coming to town.

[fsu813]

what the hell does that have to do with this?

you keep grasping at anything, however unrelated, to support your minority opinion.

[buckethead]

It seems relevant to me. It is saying that the people living closer to the recovery home saw the residents as good neighbors while those basing opinions on their percetpion rather than actual evidince or personal experience found the recovery home's residents to be less desireable neighbors.

[strider]

what the hell does that have to do with this?

you keep grasping at anything, however unrelated, to support your minority opinion.

And a Quote from you, FSU813:

The nature/judgment/issues of those that have to live in boarding houses generally make them less quality of a neighbor, if not a net negative, most of the time. Since this is a fact, they do also decrease the property values of the homes around them and .....i'd be surprised if anyone challenges this........contribute more to the drug, prostitution, and cash-crimes than help prevent them.

It seems your own words on this forum have indeed proved my post certainly is revelant.  It also seems to me that you and SPAR Council (as your posts seem to indicate you agree with their position on this subject) are the ones who keep "grasping at anything, however unrelated, to support your minority opinion". 

[fsu813]

Strider,

your 'evidence' is ridiculous. 110% out of context, for one, with 1000 things that differeniate that circumstance from this circumstance.

I mean, let's say i find somewhere where living next to a convenience store is a positive. Does that mean that if you live next to a convensince store that it's a good thing? Hell no. Just b/c in one community, with one owner, one population, one particlaur mix of demographics, one neighborhood on thier own particular track, in thier city, with thier laws and policies, with thier history, etc etc etc (Insert any other of the 1000 ways that make thier area different than ours, or any other) show that thier brand of Oxford House was viewed by some (hello, where are the details? the context?) as postive doesn't mean squat for any other area or circumstance.

[strider]

To start with, FSU813, thank you so much for proving my point.  You see, this discussion is not about the houses, the type of houses, how many houses,  but rather, it is about the people who live in those houses. Re-read your post below.

The nature/judgment/issues of those that have to live in boarding houses generally make them less quality of a neighbor, if not a net negative, most of the time. Since this is a fact, they do also decrease the property values of the homes around them and .....i'd be surprised if anyone challenges this........contribute more to the drug, prostitution, and cash-crimes than help prevent them.

Therefore, it makes no difference if the facility is called a rental, a sober living facility, Oxford house or a half way or three-quarter house.  It makes no difference if the facility is in Beverly Hills or Springfield.   Your comments apply to all locations and types of houses as they are about who, not what.

I find it amusing that whenever this discussion comes up, the same attacks against these people are made.  They  bring down housing values, they bring in crime, they are bad neighbors.  Yet, no one has ever brought forth proof of this.  You all simply insist that it is simply fact.  Of course, if I happen to bring forth some actual written proof that supports my claims, then I must immediately go out and get more proof because for some reason or another, what I post doesn’t count.

Face facts, you can’t prove that these houses are responsible for lowering housing values because there is no proof.  You can’t prove that these people bring in more crime because there is no proof.  All you can do is use lies and innuendo to attempt to scare others into believing what you claim to be true.  I personally would like to believe people are smarter than that and would rather know the truth.  The truth isn’t what SPAR Council wants you to believe.