http://www.youtube.com/v/DjeIpjhAqsM
Ok, another reason to ditch the f*cked up state.
Wow. If people don't like Florida in the first place, why do they move here? The "f*cked up state? Because the glaciers are melting and Florida has a low topography, we're f*cked up? Enjoy the f*cked up state while you can before returning to the Northlands where the winters will get colder and colder because of the out of whack weather attributed to global warming. I could say more but I won't. A lot of people moving back to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. Maybe that's a good thing. Enjoy your day "reednavy."
Thanks heights. I love our little corner of heaven. Big blue ocean, beautiful swamps and lowlands, good hunting, fishing, diving, and boating. The Jags, Suns, and Gators/Ospreys/Dolphins to watch. Even with our problems, this is a great big/small city/town!
Quote from: NotNow on September 12, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
Thanks heights. I love our little corner of heaven. Big blue ocean, beautiful swamps and lowlands, good hunting, fishing, diving, and boating. The Jags, Suns, and Gators/Ospreys/Dolphins to watch. Even with our problems, this is a great big/small city/town!
Hey NotNow, I think you have hit on the exact way I think we should be marketing ourselves. Indeed we are the greatest, biggest, small town in America! I can be stuck in endless traffic on I-95 toward St. Augustine, then in a matter of 10 minutes, I can be in my canoe and lost on 6 mile creek.
Try that in New York or Chicago or Denver or Los Angeles... OCKLAWAHA
(http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/resources/AshCloud.jpg)
Kind of makes your girl friends can of hair spray kind of insignificant doesn't it?
Stephen, as for the Melt Down, I don't believe we are the ones who are causing it. Do I believe there is such a thing as "global warming," yeah, something weird is going on... Medellin and Bogota were actually warm the other day! Do I think we promote it or help cause it? Well, I don't think we HELP it any. The whole reason behind my own theory is when the volcano erupted in the Andes, then off Philippines, the vulcanologist said in a single eruption the volcano's produce more powerful green house gases and do more damage then the entire history of mankind. So?? Ho Hum? I'll use biodegradable toilet paper tonight.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2009, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: NotNow on September 12, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
Thanks heights. I love our little corner of heaven. Big blue ocean, beautiful swamps and lowlands, good hunting, fishing, diving, and boating. The Jags, Suns, and Gators/Ospreys/Dolphins to watch. Even with our problems, this is a great big/small city/town!
Hey NotNow, I think you have hit on the exact way I think we should be marketing ourselves. Indeed we are the greatest, biggest, small town in America! I can be stuck in endless traffic on I-95 toward St. Augustine, then in a matter of 10 minutes, I can be in my canoe and lost on 6 mile creek.
Try that in New York or Chicago or Denver or Los Angeles...
OCKLAWAHA
That is EXACTLY right Ock. It is rare to be able to hit the trail to nowhere, or hop on your boat and enjoy a quiet marina sunset and a frosty beverage within minutes of fighting the rat race.
Quote from: heights unknown on September 12, 2009, 07:08:34 AM
Wow. If people don't like Florida in the first place, why do they move here? The "f*cked up state? Because the glaciers are melting and Florida has a low topography, we're f*cked up? Enjoy the f*cked up state while you can before returning to the Northlands where the winters will get colder and colder because of the out of whack weather attributed to global warming. I could say more but I won't. A lot of people moving back to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. Maybe that's a good thing. Enjoy your day "reednavy."
Excuse yourself, it was sarcasm.
All this negative talk about this state is really starting to get on my nerves and was speaking to the nay-sayers of Florida. We may not be the most perfect state, and while most of the state is really being hit hard by the recession, we in NE FL are doing relatively well and enjoy our little piece of happiness. We have the lowest chances of hurricane landfalls of any coastal location in the entire country, which just makes us that more special. We're a blend of north and south, old and new, and make it work.
So, this eminent danger talk is a bunch of bullshyt anyways and will take a lot longer than what all these Henny Pennies are saying.
Btw heights, I didn't choose to live here originally, I was stationed here and THEN decided to stay put after leaving the service, instead of returning to Nashville.
One last thing, i like how you put my screen name in quotations, how cute. Enjoy yourself in Sarasota or whatever place you call home in West Central FL.
Damn, I was just watching some football and talking to some folks about how nice of a summer it has been. Not oppressively hot..humid yes...but that is Florida. But to read the posts...earth ends either this week of next? :)
I thought we had till 2012!
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 09:18:31 PM
Two years is the current PNR. Point of No Return.
After that, depending on certain feedback processes, we could be flooded and inundated all the way to regency by 2019
Gotta love this hyping over rapid meltdown.
Ok, that showed only one part of a much larger science called Global Warming. That really showed me nothing more than ice melting and need to bring more things to the table otuside of the beliefes of a photographer. I heard no such statement of a giant methane release.
Do I believe in global warming, yes.
Do I believe it is all human caused, no.
Do I believe this sudden rise in sea level will happen in 10 years, hell no.
Lastly, nice to see he said other things are not important to mention or propoganda. What makes people think this guy isn't spreading it and looking for money to support his photography project.
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 09:50:17 PM
um. the photographic evidence?
Other than that, what would you like as proof the ice is melting?
The greenland calving face was the most troubling.
Thats the one that if it melts, its a 20 ft sea level rise.
I didn't say proof of ice melt, I said global warming, big difference.
For every person that thinks it'll all melt by 2019, there is likely an equal amount thinking Earth will fight back and take us back to the Ice Age by that time.
I want more reason than ice cores and tree rings.
We haven't been here long enough to understand what's going to happen in ten years, hell, we're lucky with 2 weeks right now. I take all computer model analysis with a grain of salt, some require a handful, and climate change is a handful.
Also, citing Wikipedia as a reference does not back much up, as anyone can put anything into that site's articles.
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 10:19:16 PM
Well, someone convinced the Insurance Companies.
No, you can thank the hurricane seasons of 2004 and 2005 for that.
Hmm, if my past as ameteorologist serves me correct, only 3 of the signifcant hurricanes (Ivan, Katrina, and Rita) that made landfall those 2 years made their name known due to storm surge damage. All the others (Charley, Frances Jeanne, and Wilma) did their damage with wind. Dennis doesn't count as it is hard to tell what he truly would've done had Ivan not already done most of the damage in the same area in 2004.
Also, before you even treck down this path, height of surge at landfall is not always indicative of landfall wind strength.
Insurance companies were alrady dropping people prior to the 2005 season and after that year, they decided it was too costly to keep insuring areas that are regularly hit by hurricanes. Whether it be by wind or water, they were doing it anyways.
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
Their publicly released white papers listed increased storm activity due to global warming.
Which is covered in the video posted above.
Oh god, not this again.
These increased levels of activity have been proven to run in cycles of 10-30 years in length. Look up the numbers and this latest cycle began in 1995. Also, the satellite era has allowed us to recognize more systems, leading to the large name count in 2005. Prior to the 60s, there was very limited data on the number of tropical systems every year.
This is backed up with actual science, but go can only go back so long due to inaccuracies in data.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090812143936.htm
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
Dr. Navy. thanks for the outdated info, but the recent photographic evidence of the massive melt off is linked above. :D
Oh, so last year is outdated? Geez, what rock have I been under. Your reasoning is so much more sound and secure.
So you try to spin it back to talking about ice melting, nice dodge. Try reading the substance for a change because it didn't take you even 2 minutes to respond, clearly showing you're disregard of facts.
You may say the debate is over, but it never will be. Also, we honestly don't know when the PNR will be, it is all speculation right now, with a lot of fancy numbers and words thrown around.
If the end is near...I would prefer to have a tall building to jump off. Whoops, we live in Jax so I will have to settle for a three story parking structure ;)
How classy and mature to call me a monkey.
You don't know my political views anyways, so, you honestly need to watch where you step.
So, no response on WHY you call a report from last year outdated?
It pertained to tropical systems, yet you switched the topic at hand, again.
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 11:31:19 PM
No David, the end isnt near, but it is time to start formulating plans of managing sea rise.
Seek higher ground. 8)
Mission accomplished!
I understand the problem at hand, but what you are saying that we'll be flooded up to Regency in 10 years is a very big claim to make.
However, you failed to answer why you're calling a report from last year outdated and why you think it is so. That's the thing I'd really like known, why you're basically disregarding it when it pertains to the overall talk that this ice melting is tied to, global warming.
In the end, we can just agree to disagree.
Quote from: reednavy on September 12, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: heights unknown on September 12, 2009, 07:08:34 AM
Wow. If people don't like Florida in the first place, why do they move here? The "f*cked up state? Because the glaciers are melting and Florida has a low topography, we're f*cked up? Enjoy the f*cked up state while you can before returning to the Northlands where the winters will get colder and colder because of the out of whack weather attributed to global warming. I could say more but I won't. A lot of people moving back to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. Maybe that's a good thing. Enjoy your day "reednavy."
Excuse yourself, it was sarcasm.
All this negative talk about this state is really starting to get on my nerves and was speaking to the nay-sayers of Florida. We may not be the most perfect state, and while most of the state is really being hit hard by the recession, we in NE FL are doing relatively well and enjoy our little piece of happiness. We have the lowest chances of hurricane landfalls of any coastal location in the entire country, which just makes us that more special. We're a blend of north and south, old and new, and make it work.
So, this eminent danger talk is a bunch of bullshyt anyways and will take a lot longer than what all these Henny Pennies are saying.
Btw heights, I didn't choose to live here originally, I was stationed here and THEN decided to stay put after leaving the service, instead of returning to Nashville.
One last thing, i like how you put my screen name in quotations, how cute. Enjoy yourself in Sarasota or whatever place you call home in West Central FL.
Excuse myself for what? In all due respect I will again say (with no sarcasm), if you don't like Florida, leave. Thanks.
One more thing; I was BORN in Jacksonville and...LIVED HERE during my childhood, AND, was stationed here for over half of my 20 year Navy career. YES I now live in Sarasota/Bradenton, but my HEART is in Jacksonville, AND, Jax will always be my home. In addition and finally, before spouting off (in all due respect), know what you're talking about; I am in Sara/Braden because my Mother has LUPUS and has a BRAIN TUMOR.
Thanks again REED NAVY. We're both Sailors and I do respect your views. But again, I love Florida, was born and bred here, was born in Jacksonville and lived here for a long long time before moving away, and don't take it lightly when people make fun of my turf (especially if they're not from here which I don't know if you are); even if it's sarcasm or joking. Sorry if I came through too strong, but I'm just a black, yahoo southerner!
NOW BACK TO TOPIC!
Heights Unknown
Quote from: stephendare on September 12, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
Dr. Navy. thanks for the outdated info, but the recent photographic evidence of the massive melt off is linked above. :D
"DOCTOR NAVY," I love it.
Heights Unknown
No, I'm not originally from here, I'm from Murfreesboro, TN, right outside of Nashville.
I left the service on April 1st, and decided to stay here, in part because I'm in a great relationship, the other due to having many friends.
Anyways, my comment was being this thread sounded like something from Henny Penny. I do not believe it will be 2019 when all this goes down, I think much later as so many different people have stated such and such year is the PNR and others say we're already beyond it. Also, this methane release is speculation, as it may or may not happen.
Yes, Now back to topic indeed.
In reading the great article(s) and video that Stephendare posted, the actions, revelations, or proof worldwide certainly speak louder than the written words, i.e., newspaper reports, magazine reports, professional white papers, etc.
Melting in the Arctic and Antarctic, what more proof do you need? Videos and pictures don't lie.
There must be a cause or reason for the melting of the polar caps, and it ain't (using a "yahoo" word) because these events are "just happening" with no cause, reason and/or effect.
Maybe I'm missing something here; I am "desperately trying to seek susan" by seriously and respectfully considering ReedNavy's thoughts on this subject.
If mankind is not the reason for global warming, i.e. our huge advances in industrial technologies in this 20th century, then what is it? You tell us ReedNavy please. I would like to know based on your own facts, opinions, etc. What can you tell us relative to the reasons why the Polar Caps are melting, weather is wreaking havoc along with that event, and other earth changes that MAY ride along with the reasons why these events, along with global warming are happening?
I don't have all the answers but this I know; the Earth was fine and humming right along until recently. The reason for all this could also be Mankind's negative behavior...who knows? But dumping poison, gases, and other harmful items into our atmosphere for the sake of technological prowess and human advancement, in my opinion, does not help and isn't helping and in my opinion is killing our beloved and sensitive planet.
Heights Unknown
I think Ock has an excellent point. Something is going on and we should be better stewards of our environment. But I am convinced that the whole climate change argument is largely political.
QuoteThere's nothing more the climate alarmist media loves than a 'melting Arctic' ice cap story. So why not stories from the far larger expanse of ice that is the 'melting' Antarctic? Well it might have something to do with the fact that the Antarctic ice grew to record levels in 2007 - and continues to grow.
The Antarctic
Climate scientist Dr Ben Herman, past director of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and former head of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona, notes that for the media, "What happens in the Arctic may be an indicator of what will happen in the rest of the world. How about what happens in the Antarctic then? Since its ice area has been increasing, is this also an indicator of what might be happening in the rest of the world?" The FACT is that the majority of Antarctica has cooled over the past 50 years and ice coverage has grown to record levels. Take the well-publicized collapse of a 160 square mile block of the Wilkins Ice Shelf in Antarctica in March 2008. For the alarmist media this was conclusive proof of the dramatic global warming effects. The Los Angeles Times ran, 'Antarctica Collapse' referring to the "rapid melt of the Wilkins Shelf". The Sydney Morning Herald ran 'Ice Shelf Hangs By a Thread' and the Salon online news site had the absurd headline 'Bye-bye Antarctica?' But Joseph D'Aleo, first Director of Meteorology at The Weather Channel and Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International, was more prosaic. On his IceCap website, D'Aleo wrote that the collapse was the equivalent, given the enormity of Antarctica, of "an icicle falling from a snow and ice covered roof." He added, "The latest satellite images and reports suggest the ice has already refrozen around the broken pieces. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60 percent ahead of last year when it set a new record." Noting the ludicrous media hype, D`Aleo laments, "Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica's ice sheet is also starting to disappear."
Dr Herman adds an apposite footnote: "It is interesting that all of the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) stories concerning Antarctica are always about what's happening around the western peninsula, which seems to be the only place on Antarctica that has shown any warming." Herman asks, "How about the rest of the continent, which is probably about 95 percent of the land mass, not to mention the record sea ice coverage recently."
Former Colorado State Climatologist and current senior scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder, Dr Roger Pielke Sr is severely critical of the "typical bias that many journalists have." Pielke notes, "The media has ignored the increase in Antarctica sea ice cover in recent years, with at present, a coverage that is one million square kilometres above average."
In December 2006, Dr Duncan Wingham, Professor of Climate Physics at University College London and Director for Polar Observation and Modelling, presented evidence that showed "Antarctic thinning was no more common than thickening". Wingham and his colleagues found that 72 percent of the Antarctica ice sheet was growing at the rate of 5 millimetres per year. Most significantly, Dr Wingham commits media heresy when he states: "That makes Antarctica a sink, not a source, of ocean water. According to their best estimates, Antarctica will 'lower global sea levels by 0.08 mm' per year." Sacrilege.
Statistician Dr Bjorn Lomborg, author of The Skeptical Environmentalist and professor at the Copenhagen Business School, observes the media covers only the "2 percent of Antarctica [that] is dramatically warming and ignores the 98 percent that has largely cooled over the past 35 years." Lomborg also rounds on Al Gore who "points to shrinking sea ice in the Northern Hemisphere, but doesn't mention that sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere is increasing."
And for those for whom the UN IPCC is the last word on all things climate, Dr Madhav L. Khandekar, retired Environment Canada scientist and an expert IPCC reviewer, says, "In the Southern Hemisphere, the land-sea mean temperature has slowly but surely declined in the last few years." He adds, "Several other locations in the Southern Hemisphere have experienced lower temperatures in the last few years" the result of "surface temperatures over world oceans slowly declining since mid-1998." Interestingly the very year the mean global temperature itself began a decline.
Fair enough. But the Arctic is melting, right? Sorry, it just ain't that simple. October 2008 saw the fastest Arctic sea ice extent growth ever recorded.
The Arctic
During October and November 2008 the extent of Arctic ice was 28.7 percent greater than during the same period in 2007. According to data published by the International Arctic Research Center (IARC/JAXA) October 2008 saw "the fastest ever growth" of Arctic Sea ice since records began. Not good news for doomsayers like Dr Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Dr Serreze had predicted an ice-free North Pole in the summer of 2008.
The Arctic has indeed undergone some warming in some areas, especially Greenland, a warming that culminated in a summer temperature high of 5 degrees C in 2007. The gradual melt has opened up the prospect of newly navigable seaways - and a rush for the Arctic's energy-rich deepwater reserves. The reality is, however, warming periods are nothing new to the Arctic. When the Vikings settled Greenland they grew crops in temperatures higher than those of today.
The media has also made much of the potential opening of the Northwest Passage. But it rarely mentions that similar weather patterns prevailed in the 1930s when two boats, the Nascopie and Aklavik, famously met up in the Passage in 1937. In October 2008, a study by Ohio University confirmed that current Arctic warming patterns mimic those in the 1920s-1940s. By July 2008 the Arctic ice had increased by nearly half a million square miles over the same first half year period in 2007. A NASA study published in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters in October 2007 had already noted that thinning Arctic ice was more likely the result of "unusual winds" that had blown "older thicker" ice into warmer southern waters. In other words, the Arctic warming experienced more recently could well be the result of the unusual strength of winds, not man-made warming.
According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center's own figures, world sea ice in April 2008 reached "unprecedented" levels for the month of April. The World Meteorlogical Organization (WMO) went to declare 2008 the coolest since 2000. Moreover, the WMO reports that the fall in the global mean temperature since 1998 is not just affecting the polar ice caps either, it is also affecting glaciers elsewhere.
The Glaciers
In October 2008, after a particularly bitterly cold Alaskan summer, glaciologists began reporting that Alaskan glaciers, particularly those at Glacier Bay where the shrinkage had mainly been had begun advancing for the first time in years. Glaciologist Bruce Molnia of the US Geological Survey said, "In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound." He adds "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying did not become snow free until early August." In short, 2008 was the first time since record began that Alaskan glaciers did not shrink during the summer months.
In late November 2008, reports from Norway showed that Alaska's glacier experience was being replicated there too. Hallgeir Elvehoy of the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE) reported that the magnitude of glacial growth appears to have been underway for two years. Glacier growth has also been reported from Canada and New Zealand.
The facts adduced here represent just the tip of an under-reported iceberg (no pun intended). The fact that the world's ice mass is expanding not contracting is plainly of seismic importance in the climate debate. But, in many of its parts, the Western media appears to have a stake in freezing out the truth - having sold its journalistic soul for a mess of warm-mongering alarmist pottage.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/media_credibility_not_ice_caps_1.html
What influence does the magnetic field have on climate, what is the state of the magnetic field and will it reverse in 2012?
Check out all 12 parts of the interview. Forget mass transit if this guy is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7ELVDkmFk
Quote from: reednavy on September 13, 2009, 11:00:52 AM
No, I'm not originally from here, I'm from Murfreesboro, TN, right outside of Nashville.
I left the service on April 1st, and decided to stay here, in part because I'm in a great relationship, the other due to having many friends.
Anyways, my comment was being this thread sounded like something from Henny Penny. I do not believe it will be 2019 when all this goes down, I think much later as so many different people have stated such and such year is the PNR and others say we're already beyond it. Also, this methane release is speculation, as it may or may not happen.
I agree with you ReedNavy, no one knows; it could be 3030 before things really fall through the cracks. But we have to face reality, our poles are melting and the speed at which they are melting has increased within the last five to ten years.
Heights Unknown
Quote from: buckethead on September 13, 2009, 11:37:15 AM
What influence does the magnetic field have on climate, what is the state of the magnetic field and will it reverse in 2012?
Check out all 12 parts of the interview. Forget mass transit if this guy is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7ELVDkmFk
Seems like I read somewhere that the effects the earth's mag field has on climate is primarily weather change, I may be wrong, but I seemed to have read or heard this.
Other effects would be material relative to electricity and the such.
Heights Unknown
Quote from: heights unknown on September 13, 2009, 11:43:54 AM
I agree with you ReedNavy, no one knows; it could be 3030 before things really fall through the cracks. But we have to face reality, our poles are melting and the speed at which they are melting has increased within the last five to ten years.
Heights Unknown
The Poles are melting, but the above posted article shows that it all isn't melting, and some is actually expanding. I do believe that quite a bit of the global warming thing is politically motivated in nature and is being blown well out of proportion.
While the overall global temperature has increased, only some is due to humans, the other is a natural cycle . However, disregarding other facts and such make people look rather close-minded, and I'm not going to say names. We have no clue when the shit will hit the fan, but I honestly believe it isn't going to be within the next 10 years.
I also like how a certain person tries to say my views are politcally based, when, in all honesty, I could care less about politics. So because we don't agree with that person's views, I'm wrong. Please, you need to be more open to other's views in order to make sound judgement.
Also, this is photographic evidence from only one hemisphere. Why doesn't this person have cameras set up in Antarctica, recording ice is growing?
You should definitely consider your own sources then. As the article I referenced cites scientific facts as well - they just don't agree with your world view. So your attempts to discredit the article is typical, but based on scientific findings. I did not discredit your video, instead, consider it part of the big picture. At some point, you should try to do the same.
My point though, if you can read before you start typing, is that we shouldn't buy into doom and gloom. There is still much research and analysis to be done.
The poles are both melting and growing in different regions of the world. They are changing. They always have and always will. TO attempt to equate one small region to the entire globe is not scientifically sound - but has its place and should be considered with all information.
We should however take better care of our environment.
While it is happening, making such a bold call of 2011 as the PNR and 2019 as when we're just plain swimming is extremely risky. In the scientific community, making such a bold call and then if it doesn't happen, you're then grilled, crucified and then noone will ever listen again. That is the way the science community is and always has been.
It has just been said for years since climate change became a hot topic, the PNR is 1999, 2011, 2050, etc. We have absolutely no solid way of knowing when that happens, nature just doesn't give stuff up easily, and never has.
Al Gore was a such a dumbass to even try to say Katrina was the result of global warming, so do not even get me started on that.
We have been freezing and thawing for a very long time. I don't buy it.
The ice that's frozen is displacing the space in the water. When it melts it does not take up more space.
When ice cubes melt in your glass of tea or water, it doesn't cause the liquid levels to rise to the point of overflowing, out of the glass itself. In fact, water expands when it is frozen, therefore taking up more space than when it is liquid.
ahh, can't stay on topic and argue the merits of your argument. I had a feeling the straw man would show up soon.
have a good day gentlemen! time to get in some golf!
See, another one of those my view is right, and your's is wrong by stephen.
You simply refuse to listen to anyone else that has an opposing view that you disagree with.
It showed yesterday by going from topic at hand, to insurance, to hurricanes, then back, without addressing what I brought to the table. Saying you read fast, really, so you can read 4 pages in under 2 minuted, I hardly believe that for a second.
Like I've been saying though, we don't know when the PNR will be, but saying it'll be 2011 is going out on a very flimsy limb.
Magnetic field? Nothing? Irrelevent?
Let's explore all contributing factors and possible outcomes/solutions.
So physics is different in a glass of water than anywhere else? umm ok.
Quotethat wasnt supposed to be melting for another hundred years.
Who says? the same science that can't predict how many hurricanes we'll have this year? Stephen, we all agree that you are divine and enlightened, but we did not know you and God actually communicated about what would happen in one hundred years. ;)
buckethead- I concur 100%
til tomorrow
Quote from: stephendare on September 13, 2009, 12:35:26 PM
reednavy. Group dynamics or interpersonal comments arent going to change the basic science.
The video is um, kindof the proof that what you are saying is outdated information. ::)
I had meant to ask you how your antarctic research facility was going, though, thanks for reminding me.
How is your research? Im very curious on your findings about the PNR. :D
I can also ask that, where is your OWN research, not this bottlefed stuff from youtube.
I want to know, at what point in that video does is automatically outdate the information I provided. You tell me, don't tell me to watch the video, you tell me.
Oh hell, not the 2012 crock of shit.
Quote from: stephendare on September 13, 2009, 12:47:20 PM
lol, my sentiments exactly, reed.
I'm done with this arguement of frozen liquid. We'll agree to disagree.
However, if one more person says it is all over on 12/21/2012, I'm socking them in the face. It has gotten past annoying.
Quote from: braeburn on September 13, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
We have been freezing and thawing for a very long time. I don't buy it.
The ice that's frozen is displacing the space in the water. When it melts it does not take up more space.
When ice cubes melt in your glass of tea or water, it doesn't cause the liquid levels to rise to the point of overflowing, out of the glass itself. In fact, water expands when it is frozen, therefore taking up more space than when it is liquid.
Good point Braeburn, but what about the fact (or theory?) of melting fresh water ice (runoff from melting glaciers, icebergs, etc. in the Arctic and Antarctic) into salt water seas? I have read, and heard that this would cause a rise in ocean levels in addition to wreaking havoc with the Gulfstream and causing severe weather changes.
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I'll
Quote from: reednavy on September 13, 2009, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 13, 2009, 12:47:20 PM
lol, my sentiments exactly, reed.
I'm done with this arguement of frozen liquid. We'll agree to disagree.
However, if one more person says it is all over on 12/21/2012, I'm socking them in the face. It has gotten past annoying.
I'll never say that, and don't think anyone in this forum has said that, but we all know that is purely opinion, speculation, and possibly even theory; no one knows.
Heights Unknown
The Mayan Calendar isn't the only one that has ended with no results. Also, several other religious calendars end way off in the future, I think the Jewish one ends in 2046 or something.
Disregarding the Mayan prophecies is great. I don't lend credence to human sacrifices.
Ignoring the weakening magnetic field, as well as possbilities associated with the coming galactic alignment is somewhat less wise.
I try to keep the tin foil usage at a minimum, but there's no harm in the occasional hat.;)
What?
I'm a realist and tell it how it is. How many prophecies have happened before? How many times have people said that the end is here since humans have been around?
I'm hardly one of those tin foil hat loons, far from.
Quote from: reednavy on September 13, 2009, 01:55:02 PM
What?
I'm a realist and tell it how it is. How many prophecies have happened before? How many times have people said that the end is here since humans have been around?
I'm hardly one of those tin foil hat loons, far from.
You are right ReedNavy to a certain point. Not to get off topic (though I am), but I know of one prophecy, straight out of the Bible that just came true by what you have just said:
YOU SAID: "How many times have people said that the end is here since humans have been around?"
THE BIBLE SAYS: (II Peter 3:3 and 4) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
The end may not have happened yet (the end of this present world system), but it is coming and it is on the horizon.
Global warming and other out of whack things happening on this planet is just a warning and precursor to the end.
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Whenever discussions start including biblical quotes, unless it a bible study thread, its time to sign it off.
Swapping bible quotes does not advance an argument, it is intended to stop it through appeal to authority, one of the basic logical fallacies. The King James version may have some high sounding and obsolete language in it, but it was a lousy translation in any case.
I dug a hole in my backyard a couple years ago and found a sandstone rock with small seashells in it...
Quote from: stephendare on September 13, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
I don't know about all that. Global warming is a precursor to florida flooding however.
I do, I do (and I'm not talking about whose wanting gum).
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Quote from: Dog Walker on September 13, 2009, 04:31:45 PM
Whenever discussions start including biblical quotes, unless it a bible study thread, its time to sign it off.
I'm sorry; I won't mention any Bible quotes again in this thread Dog Walker. I apologize.
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1 Corinthians 13:4-13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Ban that?
It is beautiful, but is off the thread and does not advance our knowledge of your position on rapid ice melt and its potential to flood our backyards. This just isn't the place for poetry.
Agreed!
Al Gore was a such a dumbass to even try to say Katrina was the result of global warming, so do not even get me started on that.
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I thought Bush was responsible for Katrina.
...and global warming...and 9/11 etc.
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Y'all youngsters and newbies do realize of course that the OKEFENOKEE SWAMP is on the top of a hill? Not a joke, this is FACT! In fact I think it's the only large swamp in the world that is so located. Consider the Okefenokee, is the headwaters of both the Suwanee River as well as the St. Marys River, and that one goes to the Gulf and the other to the Atlantic.
So if the world comes crashing down, (a religious theory I completely believe in) a meteor hits LA, Las Vegas, and Salt Lake City. Volcano's erupt and thousands of miles of fault lines start to shake, where will you find Ocklawaha? Somewhere about 100 miles down in the swamps... and Probably not the Okefenokee! (that one is too easy!).
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Quote from: DavidWilliams on September 13, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
...and global warming...and 9/11 etc.
Umm, yeah, whatever you say.
Yet another "hockey stick" graph on global warming has been published ... and yet another "hockey stick" graph has been found to be fundamentally false.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6179713/New-hockey-stick-graph-on-climate-change-under-fire.html
Another example that this is largely political. What a way to suck more money out of the good ole USA!
"Africa wants $67 bln a year in global warming funds"
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLO544093
QuoteThe draft resolution, which must still be approved by the 10 leaders, called for rich countries to pay $67 billion annually to counter the impact of global warming in Africa.