Rapid Glacial Meltdown. Extreme Ice Survey shows an eminent danger to Florida.

[reednavy]

Their publicly released white papers listed increased storm activity due to global warming.

Which is covered in the video posted above.

Oh god, not this again.

These increased levels of activity have been proven to run in cycles of 10-30 years in length. Look up the numbers and this latest cycle began in 1995. Also, the satellite era has allowed us to recognize more systems, leading to the large name count in 2005. Prior to the 60s, there was very limited data on the number of tropical systems every year.

This is backed up with actual science, but go can only go back so long due to inaccuracies in data.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090812143936.htm

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records

[reednavy]

Dr. Navy.  thanks for the outdated info, but the recent photographic evidence of the massive melt off is linked above.  

Oh, so last year is outdated? Geez, what rock have I been under. Your reasoning is so much more sound and secure.

So you try to spin it back to talking about ice melting, nice dodge. Try reading the substance for a change because it didn't take you even 2 minutes to respond, clearly showing you're disregard of facts.

[reednavy]

You may say the debate is over, but it never will be. Also, we honestly don't know when the PNR will be, it is all speculation right now, with a lot of fancy numbers and words thrown around.

[DavidWilliams]

If the end is near...I would prefer to have a tall building to jump off. Whoops, we live in Jax so I will have to settle for a three story parking structure

[reednavy]

How classy and mature to call me a monkey.

You don't know my political views anyways, so, you honestly need to watch where you step.

[reednavy]

So, no response on WHY you call a report from last year outdated?

It pertained to tropical systems, yet you switched the topic at hand, again.

[buckethead]

No David, the end isnt near, but it is time to start formulating plans of managing sea rise.

Seek higher ground.

Mission accomplished!

[reednavy]

I understand the problem at hand, but what you are saying that we'll be flooded up to Regency in 10 years is a very big claim to make.

However, you failed to answer why you're calling a report from last year outdated and why you think it is so. That's the thing I'd really like known, why you're basically disregarding it when it pertains to the overall talk that this ice melting is tied to, global warming.

In the end, we can just agree to disagree.

[heights unknown]

Wow. If people don't like Florida in the first place, why do they move here? The "f*cked up state?  Because the glaciers are melting and Florida has a low topography, we're f*cked up?  Enjoy the f*cked up state while you can before returning to the Northlands where the winters will get colder and colder because of the out of whack weather attributed to global warming.  I could say more but I won't.  A lot of people moving back to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc.  Maybe that's a good thing. Enjoy your day "reednavy."

Excuse yourself, it was sarcasm.

All this negative talk about this state is really starting to get on my nerves and was speaking to the nay-sayers of Florida. We may not be the most perfect state, and while most of the state is really being hit hard by the recession, we in NE FL are doing relatively well and enjoy our little piece of happiness. We have the lowest chances of hurricane landfalls of any coastal location in the entire country, which just makes us that more special. We're a blend of north and south, old and new, and make it work.

So, this eminent danger talk is a bunch of bullshyt anyways and will take a lot longer than what all these Henny Pennies are saying.

Btw heights, I didn't choose to live here originally, I was stationed here and THEN decided to stay put after leaving the service,  instead of returning to Nashville.

One last thing, i like how you put my screen name in quotations, how cute. Enjoy yourself in Sarasota or whatever place you call home in West Central FL.

Excuse myself for what?  In all due respect I will again say (with no sarcasm), if you don't like Florida, leave.  Thanks.

One more thing; I was BORN in Jacksonville and...LIVED HERE during my childhood, AND, was stationed here for over half of my 20 year Navy career.  YES I now live in Sarasota/Bradenton, but my HEART is in Jacksonville, AND, Jax will always be my home.  In addition and finally, before spouting off (in all due respect), know what you're talking about; I am in Sara/Braden because my Mother has LUPUS and has a BRAIN TUMOR. 

Thanks again REED NAVY.  We're both Sailors and I do respect your views.  But again, I love Florida, was born and bred here, was born in Jacksonville and lived here for a long long time before moving away, and don't take it lightly when people make fun of my turf (especially if they're not from here which I don't know if you are); even if it's sarcasm or joking.  Sorry if I came through too strong, but I'm just a black, yahoo southerner!

NOW BACK TO TOPIC!

Heights Unknown

[heights unknown]

Dr. Navy.  thanks for the outdated info, but the recent photographic evidence of the massive melt off is linked above.  

"DOCTOR NAVY," I love it.

Heights Unknown

[reednavy]

No, I'm not originally from here, I'm from Murfreesboro, TN, right outside of Nashville.

I left the service on April 1st, and decided to stay here, in part because I'm in a great relationship, the other due to having many friends.

Anyways, my comment was being this thread sounded like something from Henny Penny. I do not believe it will be 2019 when all this goes down, I think much later as so many different people have stated such and such year is the PNR and others say we're already beyond it. Also, this methane release is speculation, as it may or may not happen.

[heights unknown]

Yes, Now back to topic indeed.

In reading the great article(s) and video that Stephendare posted, the actions, revelations, or proof worldwide certainly speak louder than the written words, i.e., newspaper reports, magazine reports, professional white papers, etc.

Melting in the Arctic and Antarctic, what more proof do you need?  Videos and pictures don't lie.

There must be a cause or reason for the melting of the polar caps, and it ain't (using a "yahoo" word) because these events are "just happening" with no cause, reason and/or effect.

Maybe I'm missing something here; I am "desperately trying to seek susan" by seriously and respectfully considering ReedNavy's thoughts on this subject.

If mankind is not the reason for global warming, i.e. our huge advances in industrial technologies in this 20th century, then what is it?  You tell us ReedNavy please.  I would like to know based on your own facts, opinions, etc.  What can you tell us relative to the reasons why the Polar Caps are melting, weather is wreaking havoc along with that event, and other earth changes that MAY ride along with the reasons why these events, along with global warming are happening?

I don't have all the answers but this I know; the Earth was fine and humming right along until recently.  The reason for all this could also be Mankind's negative behavior...who knows?  But dumping poison, gases, and other harmful items into our atmosphere for the sake of technological prowess and human advancement, in my opinion, does not help and isn't helping and in my opinion is killing our beloved and sensitive planet.

Heights Unknown

[Sigma]

I think Ock has an excellent point.  Something is going on and we should be better stewards of our environment.  But I am convinced that the whole climate change argument is largely political.

There's nothing more the climate alarmist media loves than a 'melting Arctic' ice cap story. So why not stories from the far larger expanse of ice that is the 'melting' Antarctic? Well it might have something to do with the fact that the Antarctic ice grew to record levels in 2007 - and continues to grow.

The Antarctic

Climate scientist Dr Ben Herman, past director of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and former head of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona, notes that for the media, "What happens in the Arctic may be an indicator of what will happen in the rest of the world. How about what happens in the Antarctic then? Since its ice area has been increasing, is this also an indicator of what might be happening in the rest of the world?" The FACT is that the majority of Antarctica has cooled over the past 50 years and ice coverage has grown to record levels. Take the well-publicized collapse of a 160 square mile block of the Wilkins Ice Shelf in Antarctica in March 2008. For the alarmist media this was conclusive proof of the dramatic global warming effects. The Los Angeles Times ran, 'Antarctica Collapse' referring to the "rapid melt of the Wilkins Shelf". The Sydney Morning Herald ran 'Ice Shelf Hangs By a Thread' and the Salon online news site had the absurd headline 'Bye-bye Antarctica?'  But Joseph D'Aleo, first Director of Meteorology at The Weather Channel and Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International, was more prosaic.  On his IceCap website, D'Aleo wrote that the collapse was the equivalent, given the enormity of Antarctica, of "an icicle falling from a snow and ice covered roof." He added, "The latest satellite images and reports suggest the ice has already refrozen around the broken pieces. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60 percent ahead of last year when it set a new record." Noting the ludicrous media hype, D`Aleo laments, "Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica's ice sheet is also starting to disappear."

Dr Herman adds an apposite footnote: "It is interesting that all of the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) stories concerning Antarctica are always about what's happening around the western peninsula, which seems to be the only place on Antarctica that has shown any warming." Herman asks, "How about the rest of the continent, which is probably about 95 percent of the land mass, not to mention the record sea ice coverage recently."

Former Colorado State Climatologist and current senior scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder, Dr Roger Pielke Sr is severely critical of the "typical bias that many journalists have." Pielke notes, "The media has ignored the increase in Antarctica sea ice cover in recent years, with at present, a coverage that is one million square kilometres above average."

In December 2006, Dr Duncan Wingham, Professor of Climate Physics at University College London and Director for Polar Observation and Modelling, presented evidence that showed "Antarctic thinning was no more common than thickening". Wingham and his colleagues found that 72 percent of the Antarctica ice sheet was growing at the rate of 5 millimetres per year. Most significantly, Dr Wingham commits media heresy when he states: "That makes Antarctica a sink, not a source, of ocean water. According to their best estimates, Antarctica will 'lower global sea levels by 0.08 mm' per year." Sacrilege.

Statistician Dr Bjorn Lomborg, author of The Skeptical Environmentalist and professor at the Copenhagen Business School, observes the media covers only the "2 percent of Antarctica [that] is dramatically warming and ignores the 98 percent that has largely cooled over the past 35 years." Lomborg also rounds on Al Gore who "points to shrinking sea ice in the Northern Hemisphere, but doesn't mention that sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere is increasing."

And for those for whom the UN IPCC is the last word on all things climate, Dr Madhav L. Khandekar, retired Environment Canada scientist and an expert IPCC reviewer, says, "In the Southern Hemisphere, the land-sea mean temperature has slowly but surely declined in the last few years." He adds, "Several other locations in the Southern Hemisphere have experienced lower temperatures in the last few years" the result of "surface temperatures over world oceans slowly declining since mid-1998." Interestingly the very year the mean global temperature itself began a decline.

Fair enough. But the Arctic is melting, right? Sorry, it just ain't that simple. October 2008 saw the fastest Arctic sea ice extent growth ever recorded.

The Arctic

During October and November 2008 the extent of Arctic ice was 28.7 percent greater than during the same period in 2007. According to data published by the International Arctic Research Center (IARC/JAXA) October 2008 saw "the fastest ever growth" of Arctic Sea ice since records began. Not good news for doomsayers like Dr Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Dr Serreze had predicted an ice-free North Pole in the summer of 2008.

The Arctic has indeed undergone some warming in some areas, especially Greenland, a warming that culminated in a summer temperature high of 5 degrees C in 2007. The gradual melt has opened up the prospect of newly navigable seaways - and a rush for the Arctic's energy-rich deepwater reserves. The reality is, however, warming periods are nothing new to the Arctic. When the Vikings settled Greenland they grew crops in temperatures higher than those of today.

The media has also made much of the potential opening of the Northwest Passage. But it rarely mentions that similar weather patterns prevailed in the 1930s when two boats, the Nascopie and Aklavik, famously met up in the Passage in 1937. In October 2008, a study by Ohio University confirmed that current Arctic warming patterns mimic those in the 1920s-1940s. By July 2008 the Arctic ice had increased by nearly half a million square miles over the same first half year period in 2007. A NASA study published in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters in October 2007 had already noted that thinning Arctic ice was more likely the result of "unusual winds" that had blown "older thicker" ice into warmer southern waters. In other words, the Arctic warming experienced more recently could well be the result of the unusual strength of winds, not man-made warming.

According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center's own figures, world sea ice in April 2008 reached "unprecedented" levels for the month of April. The World Meteorlogical Organization (WMO) went to declare 2008 the coolest since 2000. Moreover, the WMO reports that the fall in the global mean temperature since 1998 is not just affecting the polar ice caps either, it is also affecting glaciers elsewhere.

The Glaciers

In October 2008, after a particularly bitterly cold Alaskan summer, glaciologists began reporting that Alaskan glaciers, particularly those at Glacier Bay where the shrinkage had mainly been had begun advancing for the first time in years. Glaciologist Bruce Molnia of the US Geological Survey said, "In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound." He adds "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying did not become snow free until early August." In short, 2008 was the first time since record began that Alaskan glaciers did not shrink during the summer months.

In late November 2008, reports from Norway showed that Alaska's glacier experience was being replicated there too. Hallgeir Elvehoy of the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE) reported that the magnitude of glacial growth appears to have been underway for two years. Glacier growth has also been reported from Canada and New Zealand.

The facts adduced here represent just the tip of an under-reported iceberg (no pun intended). The fact that the world's ice mass is expanding not contracting is plainly of seismic importance in the climate debate. But, in many of its parts, the Western media appears to have a stake in freezing out the truth - having sold its journalistic soul for a mess of warm-mongering alarmist pottage.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/media_credibility_not_ice_caps_1.html

[buckethead]

What influence does the magnetic field have on climate, what is the state of the magnetic field and will it reverse in 2012?
Check out all 12 parts of the interview. Forget mass transit if this guy is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7ELVDkmFk

[heights unknown]

No, I'm not originally from here, I'm from Murfreesboro, TN, right outside of Nashville.

I left the service on April 1st, and decided to stay here, in part because I'm in a great relationship, the other due to having many friends.

Anyways, my comment was being this thread sounded like something from Henny Penny. I do not believe it will be 2019 when all this goes down, I think much later as so many different people have stated such and such year is the PNR and others say we're already beyond it. Also, this methane release is speculation, as it may or may not happen.

I agree with you ReedNavy, no one knows; it could be 3030 before things really fall through the cracks.  But we have to face reality, our poles are melting and the speed at which they are melting has increased within the last five to ten years.

Heights Unknown