All,
Monday Night Football is this coming Monday, and we have had the nations' eye this week. Certainly there will be discussions on television about the sale of the team and the city. I think it's very important that, if possible, the Mayors Office asks building owners to keep their buildings lit up for the ESPN cameras. We talked about, on this forum, how it wasn't done last time.
Stephendare I know, among other founding metrojax members, have an open ear with the mayor. Will anyone who can help ask the Mayors Office to reach out to the building owners/property managers ASAP so we look good on national TV?
Thanks.
Good idea,
Not sure it will work...last MNF game they supposedly used stock footage of Jax. I personally didn't notice, but it was all over the Jags message board.
I saw tonight that the Wells Fargo building is back to being lit in teal
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 30, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
I saw tonight that the Wells Fargo building is back to being lit in teal
I saw that as well, looks good.
That$ cool then , I really liked the Teal
I noticed it last night too! now if we could some others in gear!
Whatever happened to the colored lights on top of the Main Street Bridge towers? Were those for the Super Bowl only?
MNF often uses stock footage. Famously, for the Jags' first ever Monday night game, it used a shot of downtown with the Independent Life logo still in place (at that point it was Accustaff).
Sunday Night Football uses better footage with more local flavor - I remember shots of Forsyth St. and Clark's Fish Camp for the Jags' last SNF game in 2008. And NFL Network uses terrific footage. Jacksonville looked like a glistening jewel for the one Thursday night game I had to watch on TV.
Quote from: Traveller on December 01, 2011, 09:05:25 AM
Whatever happened to the colored lights on top of the Main Street Bridge towers? Were those for the Super Bowl only?
they had water damage and were never replaced
Last MNF they didn't use file footage. I couldn't believe the downtown shot was dim except for the Wells Fargo Building. Only people familiar with downtown could make out the rest of the skyline.
The direct tv blimp is here so I don't think we are getting stock footage tomorrow night
Hopefully ESPN will update that taped footage of the "Modis" Building; Atleast show taped footage of the Wells Fargo Center.
Cover the game, ESPN, then get the hell out. Only things I like about that channel are Sage Steele, and an unexplainable attraction to Suzy Kolber. Otherwise, I got no use for 'em any more.
You... me... and Joe Namath...lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/HQqIQyT-RuM
Quote from: kells904 on December 05, 2011, 02:40:49 AM
Cover the game, ESPN, then get the hell out. Only things I like about that channel are Sage Steele, and an unexplainable attraction to Suzy Kolber. Otherwise, I got no use for 'em any more.
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
I did notice last night that Friendship Fountain was all teal.
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Right...it costs money to eat and sleep when you spend a day or two out of town. Doesn't negate ESPN's overall, anti-Jacksonville bias, or their penchant for lazy journalism in regards to our fan base.
Its definately Teal Monday over here at the Prudential. I really hope they play well tonight on both side of the ball. That would be nice to see :)
Quote from: kells904 on December 05, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Right...it costs money to eat and sleep when you spend a day or two out of town. Doesn't negate ESPN's overall, anti-Jacksonville bias, or their penchant for lazy journalism in regards to our fan base.
yeah, but comments like yours don't help ESPN get a better impression of our city either
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: kells904 on December 05, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Right...it costs money to eat and sleep when you spend a day or two out of town. Doesn't negate ESPN's overall, anti-Jacksonville bias, or their penchant for lazy journalism in regards to our fan base.
yeah, but comments like yours don't help ESPN get a better impression of our city either
You're right, TUFSU, it's the comments. That's the reason they media hates Jacksonville. I mean what would they say if we had a debilitating snow storm, sold more tickets than we had seats and even had to import strippers from out of town? What would they say then?
Quote'Dallas-Fort Worth Needs 10,000 More Strippers for Super Bowl'
Published : Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 3:34 PM CST
Not much, if you're Dallas.
It's not like they're going to let facts or the truth get in the way of a good storyline.
Guys-
We are hosting our usual Intuition Tailgate in Lot H today/tonight, so please come by and grab a beer or 3.
We are parked along the fence next to the river. Look for the IAW flag and Van.
We're bringing 5 kegs so we hope that will be enough!
GO JAGS!!!
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: kells904 on December 05, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Right...it costs money to eat and sleep when you spend a day or two out of town. Doesn't negate ESPN's overall, anti-Jacksonville bias, or their penchant for lazy journalism in regards to our fan base.
yeah, but comments like yours don't help ESPN get a better impression of our city either
You're right, TUFSU, it's the comments. That's the reason they media hates Jacksonville. I mean what would they say if we had a debilitating snow storm, sold more tickets than we had seats and even had to import strippers from out of town? What would they say then?
Quote'Dallas-Fort Worth Needs 10,000 More Strippers for Super Bowl'
Published : Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 3:34 PM CST
Not much, if you're Dallas.
It's not like they're going to let facts or the truth get in the way of a good storyline.
I'm not sure what you're getting at there, did you really just want to post the stripper headline?
Kells904, I'm sure ESPN is reeling from your boycott.
The "media" isn't anti-Jacksonville and doesn't hate the city. For the most part, people just don't know/care about Jacksonville. This isn't a big city nor is it a big market for sports, particularly professional. ESPN's coverage leaning towards NY/LA/Dallas/etc is simply business decisions pandering to bigger markets. You would do the same if you wanted to make advertising $$. There's no conspiracy against Jacksonville. Most people in the West and Northeast haven't heard of the place.
Just heard on the radio that the regular ESPN "crew" that does the pregame stuff will not be in Jacksonville for MNF and will be doing that portion of the show from home base in Connecticut.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on December 05, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
I'm not sure what you're getting at there, did you really just want to post the stripper headline?
Kells904, I'm sure ESPN is reeling from your boycott.
The "media" isn't anti-Jacksonville and doesn't hate the city. For the most part, people just don't know/care about Jacksonville. This isn't a big city nor is it a big market for sports, particularly professional. ESPN's coverage leaning towards NY/LA/Dallas/etc is simply business decisions pandering to bigger markets. You would do the same if you wanted to make advertising $$. There's no conspiracy against Jacksonville. Most people in the West and Northeast haven't heard of the place.
To clarify then, PJS, the
sports media has a penchant for knocking the city with regards to the Jaguars. It's not perceived, it's true. I could go on and on about the mis-representations, but I'll save you. If you would like some examples, I can post about 20 misrepresented 'facts' that are 'known' nationally as truth, when they are the farthest from it.
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Maybe true, but if this is true also:
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 05, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
Just heard on the radio that the regular ESPN "crew" that does the pregame stuff will not be in Jacksonville for MNF and will be doing that portion of the show from home base in Connecticut.
Then I guess they didn't feel like spending any more money here and I guarantee you that will be reflected in thier portrayal of the city during the broadcast.
I suppose it's what you get when a 4-7 team visits a 3-8 team.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 02:14:49 PM
I suppose it's what you get when a 4-7 team visits a 3-8 team.
Now you're talking sense! Its got nothing to do with the name of the city, its got to do with the quality (and age/popularity) of the team.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 02:12:36 PM
If you would like some examples, I can post about 20 misrepresented 'facts' that are 'known' nationally as truth, when they are the farthest from it.
Yes, please.
Yes, but you would think they would at least want to come down and enjoy the 80 degree weather!
The following are attendance based facts. On any given day, the talking heads will pop off with some, Jags last in attendance, they never sell out the stadium, their city's not large enought to support the team, etc...
Quote1. Jaguars avg 2011 attendance (62,173) would lift blackout at Seahawks, Rams, Bucs, Bengals, Steelers, Lions, Vikings, Cards, Raiders, Colts & Bears
2. SD, Cle, StL, Wash, TB, Mia and Cin have all sold a lower % of their stadium in 2011 than Jax
3. Only Green Bay, New Orleans & Buffalo put a larger percentage of their population in seats than Jax
4. In ’11 Jags on avg filled stadium to 92.4% capacity, more than 7 others: Chargers, Browns, Rams, Bucs, Dolphins, Jets, Bengals
5. No Jaguars games have been blacked out since 2009
6. Jaguars average attendance in 2010 (63,032) would have sold out the stadiums in Chicago, Oakland and Indy.
7. How many times have the Jaguars finished last in attendance in the league? If you guessed anything but zero, you’re wrong
8. Jax has the 4th highest % of its population at NFL home games in 2011. About 4.8%
The next few are in regards to our stadium. When, once again, on any given day you'll hearabout how we have to cover the seats to show the games:
Quote1. With covered seats, Everbank Field still has a higher capacity than Heinz Field, Lucas Oil Stadium, and Soldier Field.
2. There are tarps on @EverBankField to bring stadium capacity to market size. W/out them, it’s 4th largest stadium in NFL
3. Did you know Chicago is the NFL’s 2nd largest market, yet its stadium holds 5,000 less than #EverBankField?
Okay, so I'm closer to 10 than 20.
The biggest snafu that we've had occured last Sunday night when Peter King said that our team would probably be first in line to LA because we cover 33% of our seats with tarps. He was blasted on social media from Jacksonville, and rather than correct himself in his weekly 'national' write-up MMQB, his weekly 'national' segment, SNF he took to twitter and issued an oops blurb. Little things PJ, but they're really adding up across the board, and the sad fact of the matter is that A LOT of Jacksonville residents get their football info from the 'national' media types. It's easy to get a fan to buy a ticket, but it's hard as hell to convince a fence-sitter from Mandarin to come and see a game while his hometeam is getting belittled on ESPN, FoxSports, PFT.com, SI.com and every other blog that does nothing but re-tweet bad info.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on December 05, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: kells904 on December 05, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
you know the Monday night crew spent some good $ supporting our downtown businesses both times they were here this year.
Right...it costs money to eat and sleep when you spend a day or two out of town. Doesn't negate ESPN's overall, anti-Jacksonville bias, or their penchant for lazy journalism in regards to our fan base.
yeah, but comments like yours don't help ESPN get a better impression of our city either
You're right, TUFSU, it's the comments. That's the reason they media hates Jacksonville. I mean what would they say if we had a debilitating snow storm, sold more tickets than we had seats and even had to import strippers from out of town? What would they say then?
Quote'Dallas-Fort Worth Needs 10,000 More Strippers for Super Bowl'
Published : Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 3:34 PM CST
Not much, if you're Dallas.
It's not like they're going to let facts or the truth get in the way of a good storyline.
I'm not sure what you're getting at there, did you really just want to post the stripper headline?
Kells904, I'm sure ESPN is reeling from your boycott.
The "media" isn't anti-Jacksonville and doesn't hate the city. For the most part, people just don't know/care about Jacksonville. This isn't a big city nor is it a big market for sports, particularly professional. ESPN's coverage leaning towards NY/LA/Dallas/etc is simply business decisions pandering to bigger markets. You would do the same if you wanted to make advertising $$. There's no conspiracy against Jacksonville. Most people in the West and Northeast haven't heard of the place.
Peejay wake up and smell the coffee, the sports media does not like Jacksonville. They never have. Not sure where you have been, but since 1993 Jacksonville has been completely trashed in the sports media. Its not a conspriacy, but a fact.
Interesting note from tonight's game: This will be the second Monday night game this season where ESPN did not bring it's sideline set for pre and postgame coverage. Guess what the only other Monday night game was they didn't do this for?
I agree with PJS. Seriously, a handful of people making negative comments does not mean the national sports media hates Jacksonville. We can have legitimate gripes about certain things that are said and certain views that are perpetuated, but I definitely don't think there is an overall bias against Jax beyond just the lack of size and influence that we have.
btw, there's plenty of "national media types" that have ties to this city and have no interest in bashing us. Also, criticizing the Jaguars team is very different from criticizing the city and/or the fanbase. There certainly could be talking heads who never feel our team is any good...but that's very different. They're entitled to have their professional opinion on the sports team.
Trust me, there are many fans in many cities who believe the "media" hates their city or their team.
Quote from: copperfiend on December 05, 2011, 02:56:11 PM
Interesting note from tonight's game: This will be the second Monday night game this season where ESPN did not bring it's sideline set for pre and postgame coverage. Guess what the only other Monday night game was they didn't do this for?
where's the info coming from?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on December 05, 2011, 02:56:11 PM
Interesting note from tonight's game: This will be the second Monday night game this season where ESPN did not bring it's sideline set for pre and postgame coverage. Guess what the only other Monday night game was they didn't do this for?
where's the info coming from?
A Jaguars employee
that is at least partially correct....the sideline guys were on TV last night talking about how it felt weird being in the studio doing the post-Sunday wrap-ups...but I'm pretty sure they were heer for the first game.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 05, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
I agree with PJS. Seriously, a handful of people making negative comments does not mean the national sports media hates Jacksonville.
Totally depends on which handfuls.
And it's not 'negative comments' that bother me, it's the un-truthful, rumor-mongering, mailing-it-in
journalism reporting articles written about the team and the city. I'm not so blinded as a fan that I don't realize that our team's struggles aren't helping matters, but as I stated above, with so many people living here gettting their info from SportsCenter, it truly hurts our cause when they can't even perform the due diligence in their reporting to get the facts straight. Don't the 'pay' interns for that?
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 05, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
I agree with PJS. Seriously, a handful of people making negative comments does not mean the national sports media hates Jacksonville. We can have legitimate gripes about certain things that are said and certain views that are perpetuated, but I definitely don't think there is an overall bias against Jax beyond just the lack of size and influence that we have.
btw, there's plenty of "national media types" that have ties to this city and have no interest in bashing us. Also, criticizing the Jaguars team is very different from criticizing the city and/or the fanbase. There certainly could be talking heads who never feel our team is any good...but that's very different. They're entitled to have their professional opinion on the sports team.
Trust me, there are many fans in many cities who believe the "media" hates their city or their team.
check out jaguarsfacts.com
Quote from: downtownjag on December 05, 2011, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 05, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
I agree with PJS. Seriously, a handful of people making negative comments does not mean the national sports media hates Jacksonville. We can have legitimate gripes about certain things that are said and certain views that are perpetuated, but I definitely don't think there is an overall bias against Jax beyond just the lack of size and influence that we have.
btw, there's plenty of "national media types" that have ties to this city and have no interest in bashing us. Also, criticizing the Jaguars team is very different from criticizing the city and/or the fanbase. There certainly could be talking heads who never feel our team is any good...but that's very different. They're entitled to have their professional opinion on the sports team.
Trust me, there are many fans in many cities who believe the "media" hates their city or their team.
check out jaguarsfacts.com
Most have already been posted in the list that I gave PJS.
QuotePeejay wake up and smell the coffee, the sports media does not like Jacksonville. They never have. Not sure where you have been, but since 1993 Jacksonville has been completely trashed in the sports media. Its not a conspriacy, but a fact.
YEAH PJ!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!! Where have you BEEEEENNNNN????? Oh, you've been in Philly, Pittsburgh, Delaware, and NJ??? So you actually know what outsiders really think?? Well why didn't you say so????/
I have learned that people often want to think that others hate them and are intentionally trying to malign them, but the other people usually don't even care. Those people are just living their life and don't usually foment the destruction of the other party. For instance, the FSU vs UF rivalry is mostly one sided in my opinion. I get reamed out by FSU fans constantly who live and die based on the rivalry, but I don't know any of my UF friends that feel anything other than annoyance and embarrassment for FSU. Other than that one day a year where we play, they are usually just regarded as that girls' school with a student body full of unique and untreatable STD's.
With over 6% of our entire country in the NYC MSA, they're going to get a lot of air time. LA, Chicago, Dallas, and Houston are going to get the same kind of treatment to a lesser extent. I don't mind that Jax isn't popular, and I don't care if scholars like Kirk Herbstreet and crew don't love our city, but I agree that stating untruths as fact is just plain wrong. That's pretty much par for the course for a lot of those brainiacs over there.
I happen to know that SVP spends time in Jax very often and he really likes the town. However, he still thinks Jax is a small town full of small town minded fans. I don't fault him for that because this thread and the post I quoted alone are evidence of that. I imagine if more of them gave Jax a chance, they would see the light as well.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on December 05, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
I happen to know that SVP spends time in Jax very often and he really likes the town.
SVP????
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 05, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on December 05, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
I happen to know that SVP spends time in Jax very often and he really likes the town.
SVP????
Yeah I heard Scott Van Pelt say on his show last week that his wife is from here.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on December 05, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
For instance, the FSU vs UF rivalry is mostly one sided in my opinion. I get reamed out by FSU fans constantly who live and die based on the rivalry, but I don't know any of my UF friends that feel anything other than annoyance and embarrassment for FSU. Other than that one day a year where we play, they are usually just regarded as that girls' school with a student body full of unique and untreatable STD's.
yeah, well at least our girls are attractive ;D
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 05, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on December 05, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
For instance, the FSU vs UF rivalry is mostly one sided in my opinion. I get reamed out by FSU fans constantly who live and die based on the rivalry, but I don't know any of my UF friends that feel anything other than annoyance and embarrassment for FSU. Other than that one day a year where we play, they are usually just regarded as that girls' school with a student body full of unique and untreatable STD's.
yeah, well at least our girls are attractive ;D
The further I move away from my grad date, the hotter the college girls get...
Or better yet, in the immortal words of Wooderson....(skip to 1:07)
http://www.youtube.com/v/wknywxfcE5M
I honestly think this thread has gone really really SOUR.
-Josh
It has Josh, HOWEVER I get off at six and Im headed downtown! Throughly excited about the game! Hopefully the happenings of this week spark something in the offense. I would love to see a great show from them and finally rack up some points.!
May the best team win and GO JAGUARS!!!!
-Josh
@ the game downtown lit up nice
Just left Everbank.
I wish the season was over right now, because this team is completely out of control, and serious damage is being done to the franchise with each subsequent game. I love the Jaguars and desperately want them to stay, but I don't know how anyone can justify going to another game this season. I can take losing, but I can't the dropped snaps, sloppy fumbles, dropped balls in the end zone, illegal formations, etc.
Prove me wrong hopefully, but Gabbert is running out of excuses. I've defended him as a rookie quarterback repeatedly, but he acts soft, can't hold on to the ball, and routinely BADLY misses on easy short passes. Sucks that he has no one to throw to, but I mean, he's spiking the ball into the ground on every other pass.
The fans have shown up in force for two seasons, and the franchise has repeatedly let the fans down. It's not the other way around.
I commend the fans who stick around until the end, but I don't blame a single person for leaving, especially after that awful, nail-in-the-coffin snap.
Just an AWFUL night for Jags football.
Embarrassing.
Quote from: KenFSU on December 05, 2011, 11:21:26 PM
Just left Everbank.
I wish the season was over right now, because this team is completely out of control, and serious damage is being done to the franchise with each subsequent game. I love the Jaguars and desperately want them to stay, but I don't know how anyone can justify going to another game this season. I can take losing, but I can't the dropped snaps, sloppy fumbles, dropped balls in the end zone, illegal formations, etc.
Prove me wrong hopefully, but Gabbert is running out of excuses. I've defended him as a rookie quarterback repeatedly, but he acts soft, can't hold on to the ball, and routinely BADLY misses on easy short passes. Sucks that he has no one to throw to, but I mean, he's spiking the ball into the ground on every other pass.
The fans have shown up in force for two seasons, and the franchise has repeatedly let the fans down. It's not the other way around.
I commend the fans who stick around until the end, but I don't blame a single person for leaving, especially after that awful, nail-in-the-coffin snap.
Just an AWFUL night for Jags football.
Embarrassing.
Hey its happened to every team in the NFL. I wish everyone would act like we are the only team to ever have a bad season(s). Every team has had there good and bad years. Every team has been a complete mess at one point. Its all part of the cycle. I suggest if people can take it, then dont be a fan. Its all part of being a true fan and having a nfl team. Gotta take the good, bad and the ugly.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on December 05, 2011, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on December 05, 2011, 11:21:26 PM
Just left Everbank.
I wish the season was over right now, because this team is completely out of control, and serious damage is being done to the franchise with each subsequent game. I love the Jaguars and desperately want them to stay, but I don't know how anyone can justify going to another game this season. I can take losing, but I can't the dropped snaps, sloppy fumbles, dropped balls in the end zone, illegal formations, etc.
Prove me wrong hopefully, but Gabbert is running out of excuses. I've defended him as a rookie quarterback repeatedly, but he acts soft, can't hold on to the ball, and routinely BADLY misses on easy short passes. Sucks that he has no one to throw to, but I mean, he's spiking the ball into the ground on every other pass.
The fans have shown up in force for two seasons, and the franchise has repeatedly let the fans down. It's not the other way around.
I commend the fans who stick around until the end, but I don't blame a single person for leaving, especially after that awful, nail-in-the-coffin snap.
Just an AWFUL night for Jags football.
Embarrassing.
Hey its happened to every team in the NFL. I wish everyone would act like we are the only team to ever have a bad season(s). Every team has had there good and bad years. Every team has been a complete mess at one point. Its all part of the cycle. I suggest if people can take it, then dont be a fan. Its all part of being a true fan and having a nfl team. Gotta take the good, bad and the ugly.
The "then don't be a fan" argument is incredibly lazy. There is no practical distinction between a "true fan" and a "non true" fan. The only thing that matters is who is willing to open up their wallets and pay for the product. Further, in a market this size, it's not the "true fan" that fills up the stadium, but rather the casual swing fan who chooses a Jags game over a trip to the beach, movies, or zoo. And, again, not to beat a dead horse, but it's also incredibly simplistic to suggest that it's losing that is alienating the fan base. Losing doesn't help matters, but I would argue that cheapness, especially transparent cheapness, has ruined far more goodwill than the losing itself has. Whether it be firing David Garrard on the eve of the new season to save a few million dollars, keeping Del Rio and his proven losing philosophy around three seasons too long to avoid having to pay out his contract, fielding a 90 year old punter who single handedly cost us a win, not even making a pass at any big name free agents, etc.
Every team may have bad years, but the Jags are incredibly unique to the NFL. We're a small market, with little tradition, no surrounding cities to draw from, and a ton of transplant. What works or can be gotten away with in a metro area of 5 million with four generations of legacy fans simply isn't going to work here. The bar needs to be set higher.
The best thing the Jags can do as a goodwill gesture to the 62,000 fans who have supported them each home game is to open up the pocketbook during the offseason and hire a world class coach. A great wide receiver would be fantastic too, but I won't get greedy.
Best post of the yr. JAGs probably Will lose more season ticket holders like they did the 08 season. People are not going to keep paying to see that bull $hit week in and week out. Missing alot of players on D yes but offense is offensive and shouldn't be allowed on the field. I feel sorry for MJD. I think last night was the first step to and end for Jacksonville. This city will not support a losing team for to long. If they don't some playmakers next yr this team is as good as gone. Go Sharks!!!
Not to beat a dead horse but... GOD I wish we could get rid of Gene next year. The only way this season can get any worse will be if we lose to the Colts on New Years. What a depressing way to start the year that will be. Next season can't get here fast enough. Hopefully help is on the way...
KenFSU,
Great points! Might I also add that Jacksonville is in the South, meaning it takes added incentives for people to find more interest in professional football over college football. I also would like to add that even certain 5 million person strong metros (ahem Atlanta) have trouble filling seats in bad times. Jacksonville has so many challenges. Among them beside its small size is its much lower than average household disposable income. Nobody who has been to a game or been a season ticket holder needs to be reminded of how expensive it is and how much some people must sacrifice to attend. I think it's time for the team's leadership to be humble and proselytize before the fans...maybe poll the fans what the number one thing they would do is...And then go do it! If that means spending a lot of money on a new coach or a new quarterback of the poll's/fans' choosing, then so be it. If you can spend $760M to buy a team, you can probably shell out another $30M to keep the thing going.
My vote is for new QB. The one we have is terrible.
Sooooooo much negativity today! Can everyone take a deep breathe? Common. We're not the LA Clippers, Miami Marlins, Browns, KC Royals, etc. Professional teams aren't always good! Gotta take it all in stride. I think all the change (new owner, new coach, QB, etc) is making everyone 100x more anxious than they should be.
Relax. It's only Monday.
Quote from: ben says on December 06, 2011, 09:11:12 AM
Sooooooo much negativity today! Can everyone take a deep breathe? Common. We're not the LA Clippers, Miami Marlins, Browns, KC Royals, etc. Professional teams aren't always good! Gotta take it all in stride. I think all the change (new owner, new coach, QB, etc) is making everyone 100x more anxious than they should be.
Relax. It's only Monday.
Don't knock the Marlins too much...they do at least have 2 world championships and majorly reloading for this year...an impressive resume compared to the Jags.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on December 05, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
@ the game downtown lit up nice
ESPN had some gorgeous shots of downtown. The still images looked great too.
I heard ESPN showed a shot of Charlotte, NC skyline during the MNF Show last night..
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/espn-charlotte-skyline-jacksonville/ (http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/espn-charlotte-skyline-jacksonville/)
Also, worst halftime show I've ever seen.. BMX stunts? Give me a break!!
Quote from: ben says on December 06, 2011, 09:11:12 AM
Sooooooo much negativity today! Can everyone take a deep breathe? Common. We're not the LA Clippers, Miami Marlins, Browns, KC Royals, etc. Professional teams aren't always good! Gotta take it all in stride. I think all the change (new owner, new coach, QB, etc) is making everyone 100x more anxious than they should be.
Relax. It's only Monday.
Of course! Welcome Jacksonville Florida! one requirement in order to be a citizen is to be a negative person, you didnt know that? On side note, you are correct Ben. We have to take it all in stride. I think fans are overly excited and expected a miracle from on high on last night. We have to start being realistic. We still have a young fanbase and we have alot of maturing to do. I mean what the hell do think New Orleans Saints fans went through before 2009??? There team SUCKED for like 50 years before they had their big break. We have a few bad years and were ready to throw in the towel. Its time to grow up Jacksonville and Jag fans.!
Again, terms like "grow up" and hollow cheerleading completely ignore the economic reality of filling a 65,000 seat stadium in a very small NFL market with a million other entertainment options competing for the same depressed level of discretionary income. We've filled the stadium for a losing team all season. People are fine with losing. The true danger to the franchise's viability in Jacksonville comes when people lose faith that efforts are being made to improve the team. The casual fans need the hope that the team is on the right track and that ownership is committed to spending the money necessary to compete. I'm not hearing much of that around town today. "Suck it up fans" is in no way a practical solution to ensuring the Jags are here for the long run.
Quote from: KenFSU on December 06, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Again, terms like "grow up" and hollow cheerleading completely ignore the economic reality of filling a 65,000 seat stadium in a very small NFL market with a million other entertainment options competing for the same depressed level of discretionary income. We've filled the stadium for a losing team all season. People are fine with losing. The true danger to the franchise's viability in Jacksonville comes when people lose faith that efforts are being made to improve the team. The casual fans need the hope that the team is on the right track and that ownership is committed to spending the money necessary to compete. I'm not hearing much of that around town today. "Suck it up fans" is in no way a practical solution to ensuring the Jags are here for the long run.
I just feel like we have a bunch of whinning fans. IMO we do need to suck it up. A losing team does not equate to a city losing a franchise. As I stated before, every team in the NFL has experience times such as this, and none of them lost their team because they had a long period of losing. Its part of being an NFL fan. There are ups and downs. For us to say they the Jags must always win or the team will move is just STUPID
Quote from: duvaldude08 on December 06, 2011, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on December 06, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Again, terms like "grow up" and hollow cheerleading completely ignore the economic reality of filling a 65,000 seat stadium in a very small NFL market with a million other entertainment options competing for the same depressed level of discretionary income. We've filled the stadium for a losing team all season. People are fine with losing. The true danger to the franchise's viability in Jacksonville comes when people lose faith that efforts are being made to improve the team. The casual fans need the hope that the team is on the right track and that ownership is committed to spending the money necessary to compete. I'm not hearing much of that around town today. "Suck it up fans" is in no way a practical solution to ensuring the Jags are here for the long run.
I just feel like we have a bunch of whinning fans. IMO we do need to suck it up. A losing team does not equate to a city losing a franchise. As I stated before, every team in the NFL has experience times such as this, and none of them lost their team because they had a long period of losing. Its part of being an NFL fan. There are ups and downs. For us to say they the Jags must always win or the team will move is just STUPID
Indeed.
Quote from: SMoody84 on December 06, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
I heard ESPN showed a shot of Charlotte, NC skyline during the MNF Show last night..
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/espn-charlotte-skyline-jacksonville/ (http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/espn-charlotte-skyline-jacksonville/)
Also, worst halftime show I've ever seen.. BMX stunts? Give me a break!!
At one point right before kickoff I swear they had a shot of downtown with MODIS on the building rather than Wells Fargo (Possibly mistaken as I was only half watching at that point). If anyone recorded it check out around the time before kickoff to right after kickoff. It was somewhere in there.
During the pregame, ESPN was using stock footage of Jacksonville, as they do for many locales. Shots of The Landing were obviously old, as well as the "MODIS" shot. It seemed that once the game started that the shots were current.
Quote from: SMoody84 on December 06, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Also, worst halftime show I've ever seen.. BMX stunts? Give me a break!!
I wouldn't get my hopes up too highly concerning a typical regular season halftime show. It's not like some A-list rocker is gonna come out midfield and jam; That's reserved for specialized regular season games, like Thanksgiving or the first regular season game which kicks off the season.
well the halftime show at the Ravens MNF game was really cool
^^^Atleast the BMX show was something different. I guess that it's mandatory for all MNF halftime shows to feature only lasers & fireworks.
I thought it was ok, I like the marching bands though.
^^^Bethune Cookman definitely had put on a good show during the Saints game halftime.
Quote from: I-10east on December 06, 2011, 02:47:38 PM
^^^Bethune Cookman definitely had put on a good show during the Saints game halftime.
Dont even talk about it! I could not make it to the game that day. When I found out they performed, I was beating my self up for staying home. I wasnt having a very good week.
Blane is soft and the rookie db's looked horrible. finally the offense scores a few points and the decimated defense couldn't stop a high school team - making it another loss in the books.
The lights downtown looked great tonight. Wells Fargo is lit in teal, the big "windows" atop BoA seem to be lit differently (brighter?), all of the financial buildings in Brooklyn were fully lit, and both bridges were solid blue. With all the new projects popping up around the core things are looking up in urban Jax.
Quote from: JHAT76 on December 06, 2011, 01:00:46 PM
At one point right before kickoff I swear they had a shot of downtown with MODIS on the building rather than Wells Fargo (Possibly mistaken as I was only half watching at that point). If anyone recorded it check out around the time before kickoff to right after kickoff. It was somewhere in there.
According to BCC, you're absolutely right.
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/12/6/2615397/monday-night-football-espn-skyline-error
Edit: Yep, confirmed by ESPN. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/31551/espn-on-mnf-shots-of-jacksonville
Quote from: KenFSU on December 06, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
Losing doesn't help matters, but I would argue that cheapness, especially transparent cheapness, has ruined far more goodwill than the losing itself has. Whether it be firing David Garrard on the eve of the new season to save a few million dollars, keeping Del Rio and his proven losing philosophy around three seasons too long to avoid having to pay out his contract, fielding a 90 year old punter who single handedly cost us a win, not even making a pass at any big name free agents, etc.
Other than with Del Rio, I just don't see it.
1) The Jaguars were one of the bigger spenders in free agency this year. Posluszny and Session's contracts raised eyebrows with how big they were.
2) The Jaguars historically have rewarded their best performers handsomely. Jones-Drew, Greg Jones, Lewis all received large extensions. Some outside NFL commentators found a few of those contracts excessive.
3) What big-name free agents did we fail to pursue? Weddle? Landry and Lowery are at least his equal and much cheaper - why pay Weddle big money just for the sake of saying "Look, we spent money!" Asomugha, since you've mentioned several times that we had a rookie-heavy secondary? The secondary isn't full of rookies because of Jaguar cheapness, it's full of rookies because four solid players are hurt. WR is a glaringly obvious weak spot but the free agent WR class was weak. Ochocinco has been useless and no one bit on Owens or Moss for good reason. Burress is the only one you could make a real argument about.
4) The Garrard situation was handled horribly in terms of timing, but he clearly wasn't himself in preseason and then proved to be injured. I don't think that was a cost-saving move, or at least not strictly one.
5) The 90-year-old punter wasn't a move made on the cheap. The Jags had every intention to sign Podlesh, the Bears waved a lot of money in front of him, and Podlesh didn't give the Jags a chance to match. Turk was (seemingly) the best fallback option on the market and the Jags gave him $2 million. The cheap move would have been to keep Brian Saunders, the rookie free agent, and not try to bring in a veteran.
6) Spending a lot of money doesn't necessarily equate to NFL success. Look at how rarely New England and Pittsburgh typically delve into big-name free agency and how often losing teams like Washington do it. Also, how are things working out for Philadelphia this year?
Well, we're on the Yahoo splash screen:
QuoteESPN confuses new Jacksonville with old Jacksonville, and … Charlotte?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/ESPN-confuses-new-Jacksonville-with-old-Jacksonv?urn=nfl-wp13393
Quote from: blizz01 on December 07, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
Well, we're on the Yahoo splash screen:
QuoteESPN confuses new Jacksonville with old Jacksonville, and … Charlotte?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/ESPN-confuses-new-Jacksonville-with-old-Jacksonv?urn=nfl-wp13393
This isn't about Jacksonville as much as it's about Yahoo Sports taking a not-so-subtle dig at ESPN.
A lot of different outlets think that ESPN should only be BIG 'E', Liitle 's' - Es
Quote from: blizz01 on December 07, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
Well, we're on the Yahoo splash screen:
QuoteESPN confuses new Jacksonville with old Jacksonville, and … Charlotte?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/ESPN-confuses-new-Jacksonville-with-old-Jacksonv?urn=nfl-wp13393
Some of the better replies to this story:
Question for all Jaguars fans......did this stop the Chargers from handing your team their ASSES?
I also shaved my balls thinking that the aerial shot was real!!
Somebody watched the Jags on Monday night? That's a bigger story than ESPN not telling you their aerial footage of the stadium, not gameplay mind you, wasn't live. As stupid as this sounds, I watch the game to see the teams play, not to see a birds eye view of Jacksonville!!
If only the Charger team playing Monday was a past year's version too...
You people really need to get laid
People worry about this stuff,, but have no idea what their kids are doing. Home Of The Free and Taxed
picky, picky.
I thought Chris Chase wrote this for sure
They show Boston when the Patriots play and Gillette Stadium is in Foxboro which is 50 miles away from Boston. P.S. Jacksonville is a Dump!
if during the seattle game, you see a huge white dome that lookes like a huge orange juicer with a flag on top... you know that's outdated footage.
seems that it does not take much to make people snap these days, even the couchpotatos are on the edge (of there seat that is)
Quote from: simms3 on December 07, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
Some of the better replies to this story:
Yours was the one about shaving balls wasn't it. ::)
+1 - I just laughed out loud & got a look from our assistant. (I couldn't tell her why)
People overreact to every little comment about the city by the media because Jacksonville has a city-wide inferiority complex. When a raw nerve gets touched, everyone goes spastic like the red-nosed man from Operation when the tweezers touch his metal. If people were genuinely confident in our city, they would shrug it off. Detroit gets it ten times worse from the media than Jacksonville does, but they're a damn proud city, and it rolls right off their back. Vegas got trashed following the NBA All-Star weekend two years ago far worse than Jax did following the Superbowl, and they aren't still bitter about it.
I sincerely believe that the inferiority complex is the primary thing holding this city back from reaching greatness.
And I also think that the city's own inferiority complex also has a deeply negative effect on the Jaguars as well. I'm convinced that a sizeable segment of our population does not think we deserve an NFL franchise, thinks the team will eventually end up relocating, and reject the team and even bashes them as a proactive way of breaking up with the franchise before the franchise breaks up with them.
It's really ugly and puts a tangible, deeply depressing black cloud over the franchise.
Ticket sales have almost inarguably become a bigger story than wins and losses here in Jacksonville.
And every bad home loss produces this really weird "the Jags are leaving the city" vibe.
It's a really odd, unique, uncomfortable, undeniable phenomenon that we need to find a way to deal with.
I think the complex started when we got the team. So its more so the attention of the Jags cause the complex. Before the team, Jacksonville was just business as usual. No worries, we just did our thing. Soon as we got the national spot light and started to get dogged out and singled out on a regular basis, (especially the past five years), yes the fan is basis is a tad bit sensitive and I can understand. But you are correct, its time for us to get over this. Bump what people have to say and get some pride. Thats why it seems I have my "head in the sand" when it comes to certain things pretaining to the city and the team. I erfuse to dwell on the negative thats going on.
PS and you are right about Detriot. However, Detriot is not singled out like Jacksonville is. Jacksonville is the red headed step child of the NFL. Have been since day one. You hear more negative stuff about Jax than you do any one city these days.
^ blame it on the FBC and be done with it :)
Quote from: JaxNative68 on December 07, 2011, 05:54:28 PM
^ blame it on the FBC and be done with it :)
Darn Baptist! LOL
Quote from: duvaldude08 on December 07, 2011, 05:53:16 PM
I think the complex started when we got the team. So its more so the attention of the Jags cause the complex. Before the team, Jacksonville was just business as usual. No worries, we just did our thing. Soon as we got the national spot light and started to get dogged out and singled out on a regular basis, (especially the past five years), yes the fan is basis is a tad bit sensitive and I can understand. But you are correct, its time for us to get over this. Bump what people have to say and get some pride. Thats why it seems I have my "head in the sand" when it comes to certain things pretaining to the city and the team. I erfuse to dwell on the negative thats going on.
PS and you are right about Detriot. However, Detriot is not singled out like Jacksonville is. Jacksonville is the red headed step child of the NFL. Have been since day one. You hear more negative stuff about Jax than you do any one city these days.
But the national media is creating what it intends to bash - a wrecklessly loyal, diehard fanbase that doesn't care what anyone else thinks. We haven't laid down and taken it, we've stuck it to the national media and become more passionate, due in part, to the antagonistic comments by the hopelessly lazy and uninformed national media.
Quote from: downtownjag on December 07, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on December 07, 2011, 05:53:16 PM
I think the complex started when we got the team. So its more so the attention of the Jags cause the complex. Before the team, Jacksonville was just business as usual. No worries, we just did our thing. Soon as we got the national spot light and started to get dogged out and singled out on a regular basis, (especially the past five years), yes the fan is basis is a tad bit sensitive and I can understand. But you are correct, its time for us to get over this. Bump what people have to say and get some pride. Thats why it seems I have my "head in the sand" when it comes to certain things pretaining to the city and the team. I erfuse to dwell on the negative thats going on.
PS and you are right about Detriot. However, Detriot is not singled out like Jacksonville is. Jacksonville is the red headed step child of the NFL. Have been since day one. You hear more negative stuff about Jax than you do any one city these days.
But the national media is creating what it intends to bash - a wrecklessly loyal, diehard fanbase that doesn't care what anyone else thinks. We haven't laid down and taken it, we've stuck it to the national media and become more passionate, due in part, to the antagonistic comments by the hopelessly lazy and uninformed national media.
+10
Guys, it's not the passionate, die-hard fans that worry me. It's the guy sitting in his theater room in Queen's Harbour that has the disposable income that doesn't feel like going to the games of a team who:
Tarps 1/3 of the stadium - Peter King
Isn't worth sending a crew to cover the game - ESPN
Will move to LA any moment now - Everyone who needs a storyline (low hanging fruit and deadlines)
Owned by a tax-cheating, American Hating Muslim - Small Minded Racists everywhere - local radio callers, bloggers, commenters on Jax.com
We'd be better with Garrard - he had surgery and would have been on IR anyhow
It's to the point where those of us who know the facts are just tired of it. We're tired of the mis-information. We're tired of the Tebow story. We're tired of the constant abuse. We're also tired of the mediocrity on the field, but sometimes you have to look past wins and losses. Just looking at our IR roster makes me cringe, but the average watcher doesn't know that. They expect to know a name and win every game by 17 points. Most didn't know Pozluzney until he started tackling everything in sight.
Gabbert spent 2 years in a spread offense and didn't have any time to prepare for the NFL, but the average fan expects him to look as polished as Ponder. Really? 5th year senior in a pro-style college offense with one of the most dynamic recievers in the league, Percy Harvin. Adrian Peterson. Oh, BTW, what's the Vikes record? The average fan doesn't care. It's the What-Have-You-Done-For-Me-Lately League.
I can argue this point day in / day out. It won't matter. I know what we have. I realize the potential that's there and I'm willing to wait. I also realize that it's going to take 2-3 winning seasons and a trip or two to the playoffs before our AVERAGE fan base starts buying tickets.
I'll still be there.
Rome wasn't built in a day, either, but she's still standing, and that's the plan from our GM. Brick by brick, the team will get built and the process can be long and arduous, probably not pretty, but once it's there, it should stay standing for quite some time only needing some yearly maintenance. At least that's what I hope.
I would like to see some quality bricks being purchased during the draft, not faux brick at the pice of real brick.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on December 08, 2011, 05:54:57 AM
I would like to see some quality bricks being purchased during the draft, not faux brick at the pice of real brick.
Wait, are we talking about the Courthouse again?
Quote from: KenFSU on December 08, 2011, 07:55:21 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on December 08, 2011, 05:54:57 AM
I would like to see some quality bricks being purchased during the draft, not faux brick at the pice of real brick.
Wait, are we talking about the Courthouse again?
Nah. Rome, man, Rome. 8)