What To Do With The Shipyards?

[fieldafm]

The site's current use:





... A fenced in parking lot for Jags games.  It's time to take these fences down.

Does anyone know or have access to the cost estimates the City/TriLegacy had on expanding the riverwalk on this site?  The bulkhead work is complete, so it would just be railing, pavers, lighting, etc

[thelakelander]

I imagine you could pay for it with the rest of the Metropolitan Park money.  Did you get a chance to talk to fishermen about local industry trends?

[fieldafm]

Yes and no.  Im about to grab a bite to eat... I'll try to post some thoughts on that tonight or possibly after work tomorrow.

I don't think what's remaining of the Metro Park money should be spent until as you say, a comprehensive plan is set into place that integrates a vision for all of the city's assets in this district.

[Ocklawaha]

The last thing Jacksonville needs is ANOTHER park!

Disagree.  Having a major park/public space on the river is a decision for the ages.  Pushing high rise development on this land just to pull out of a recurring economic cycle is short sighted.  I have posted elsewhere on MJ the benefits of this land being a park.

For now, we could create a massive Skyway terminal on the property... (just kidding)

But I am wonder why the attention to THE pier when it should be THE PIERS! These are all part of our history and everyone of them could be used for public benefit.


OCKLAWAHA

[buckethead]

The site's current use:





... A fenced in parking lot for Jags games.  It's time to take these fences down.

Does anyone know or have access to the cost estimates the City/TriLegacy had on expanding the riverwalk on this site?  The bulkhead work is complete, so it would just be railing, pavers, lighting, etc

I assure you they spent more on those portable lights/generators than they received in parking fees. Nevermind what the man hours, fuel, and  city vehicles costed.

Those lots were EMPTY for the preseason home opener.

I would bet no more than twenty vehicles parked there.

[Ocklawaha]

OH SHIT! More of little Johnny's "FLEX SPACE"...


OCKLAWAHA

[Noone]

OCK,

The focus on the Pier as opposed to the Piers is given the previous history. Shipyards/Landmar the plan was a 150 slip private marina. Not one slip for the Public. And that was using all the piers except the 680' one. The last plan for the 680' pier was a piece of ART. A huge sailing mast.

Focus on the one Pier right now. The 680' pier can immediately create more ACTIVE access than PASSIVE access. Put in the floating dock that was there during Super Bowl XXXIX.  Use retrofitted containers that will showcase Jacksonville as a port city.

I love the discussion about incorporating a single rail line that could be used to enhance the Entertainment district and added 44 acres. Ock you bring great ideas about how this can be done. Ock have you ever contacted Michael Ward with CSX?

 

[Rocshaboc]

Mini amusement park! Ferris Wheel, rollcoaster, games, shopping, eating, housing. C'mon easy stuff.

[Bativac]

Mini amusement park! Ferris Wheel, rollcoaster, games, shopping, eating, housing. C'mon easy stuff.

Man, that would be so cool. Like a real boardwalk atmosphere. Imagine that against the city skyline.

They'd never do it. But it would be awesome.

[fieldafm]

Mini amusement park! Ferris Wheel, rollcoaster, games, shopping, eating, housing. C'mon easy stuff.

Man, that would be so cool. Like a real boardwalk atmosphere. Imagine that against the city skyline.

They'd never do it. But it would be awesome.

That is essentially what Ben Carter's thoughts were on the site.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=530697&searchtext=bankruptcy

[Rocshaboc]

That's what I'm saying. We need more attractions outside our natural resources. Something like this will turn DT into something it hasn't been in a loooong time...a place to go. Ben Carter is right. He built the TownCenter first, then the housing came. Everything else has failed, why not? I need to dirt turned on this idea before I'm 40.

[CS Foltz]

Well Johnny has pushed to get Metropolitan Park to be upgraded (at a cost of  $ 3.1 Million Dollars) and the River Walk is next up at $15 Million (Wood to be replaced with concrete) If we can come up with a total of $18 Million Dollars plus, we are in the hole $58 Million Dollars by the way, this makes me wonder just where Johnny is getting this money from? Which book is he using..........one, two or three? Maybe this is the one with accurate figures in or maybe he has talked to Herb about a low interest loan for the City. Any takers on who supplies the concrete for the River Walk upgrade?

[Captain Zissou]

Metro Park costs far more than $3.1 million.

Rocshaboc, the problem with your plan is it's inability to connect with the rest of downtown.  Even if the amusement park was wildly successful, if it didn't connect with the surrounding areas, it would do nothing for downtown as a whole. It would be an island of activity in a sea of emptiness.  This is why any single use project will fail on the Shipyards site.  What needs to go in is a collection of properties that feed into each other and the rest of downtown.

[CS Foltz]

Capt Zissou........I won't disagree with that! That figure is courtesy of the TU this mornings edition! I would say it will be more that when finally totaled up.....more likely $5 Million by the time everything Johnny wants is either removed and replaced and the additional landscaping is installed plus irrigation to keep all plants alive! I just don't understand where we keep coming up with more money to do things when we are short dollar wise next budget cycle!

[cline]

Well Johnny has pushed to get Metropolitan Park to be upgraded (at a cost of  $ 3.1 Million Dollars) and the River Walk is next up at $15 Million (Wood to be replaced with concrete) If we can come up with a total of $18 Million Dollars plus, we are in the hole $58 Million Dollars by the way, this makes me wonder just where Johnny is getting this money from?

Pretty simple.  He's using money allocated for downtown initiatives.