Black Sheep Restaurant Group Planning New Restaurant for 5 Points

[RiversideLoki]

^ Do you have any examples of creative bike racks?

We have a lot of great artisan metal working talent in this city. I think something could be commissioned cheaply.

TONS of neat ideas...

[fieldafm]

I think its time businesses in the Riverside neighborhood be more like the beach.  Nearly every business at the beach has a bike rack on or near their establishment.

I could care less what it looks like.  Most racks at the beach are constantly full(Ive had people place their bikes on top of mine during busy days, lol).

Lamp post racks like the ones downtown would be great!  I've got a mig welder, I'd tack them on myself

[904Scars]

^ Do you have any examples of creative bike racks?

We have a lot of great artisan metal working talent in this city. I think something could be commissioned cheaply.

TONS of neat ideas...

This one is in Louisville, KY in the downtown district near the river. I've personally taken some pictures in front of it. I tried finding them but no luck. Another very neat downtown filled with people. HELLO JACKSONVILLE?! Take a look!

[904Scars]

Dear god, let this place open soon. Five Points needs a place to get a decent meal (that isn't sushi).

Though I agree there are a lot of sushi places popping up, you must admit there is quite a nice selection in the 5-Points area now.

[Dog Walker]

While the new building looks like it is going to be a good addition to the neighborhood, I'm disappointed that the group didn't consider using the building on the corner of Margaret and College Streets.  It has plenty of parking and would save a beautiful old building.

[RiversideLoki]

While the new building looks like it is going to be a good addition to the neighborhood, I'm disappointed that the group didn't consider using the building on the corner of Margaret and College Streets.  It has plenty of parking and would save a beautiful old building.

That is a beautiful building, but I always see that building as being some sort of B&B or law/medical offices. It doesn't seem like it'd make a good restaurant. If I had the cash and it were zoned residential, I'd have bought it up in a heartbeat. I dunno why the owner is sitting on it. Probably because he knows it's a great location.

Also, parking there isn't really viable. It would be offstreet on college only, or in the medical office across the street or in Pizza Palace's parking. And I don't think they'd enjoy sharing.

[Captain Zissou]

^ I don't think that building would be appropriate for a restaurant, especially not one looking to seat 120.  It would be a great office or maybe retail.  I love the building and I wish someone would restore it, but I don't think this would be the best use of it.  

I would love to see RAP restore it and use it as their office space.  If they moved and restored a new building every 3-5 years, that would be great for the neighborhood.

[Dog Walker]

Actually there is a good deal of parking behind the building.  The owner is desperate to get rid of it.  I am pretty sure the mortgage holder now has it.

A couple of years ago it sold for almost $600K and had a new roof put on, but I bet you could get it for half that now.  The interior has been stripped back to the studs and the original floor plan revealed.

How about a French restaurant called "Paris on the Park"?

Put a canopy over the tiled terrace in front for outdoor dining and it would make a great restaurant.

[904Scars]

^ I don't think that building would be appropriate for a restaurant, especially not one looking to seat 120.  It would be a great office or maybe retail.  I love the building and I wish someone would restore it, but I don't think this would be the best use of it.  

I would love to see RAP restore it and use it as their office space.  If they moved and restored a new building every 3-5 years, that would be great for the neighborhood.

Agreed... It is a fairly large structure but I feel that it isn't quite setup for the food industry. Offices would definately be a better option. That and it's a little distant from the rest of 5-Points. I like Black Sheeps choice in location.

[fieldafm]

For referance, this is the rendering of the previous project that was opposed.




I really am curious as to the differences in these two projects in relation to the parking issues that were previously raised?  Im not rooting against this project, I genuinely am curious b/c the renderings don't seem much different.

[tayana42]

okay, so we all love Orsay and Chew.  Me included.  However...

The proposed building shows no architectural imagination, the project is woefully short on parking, and it's a bit too big for the site.

Let's be honest, while we would all love to see more bicycles used for transportation, it's not reality in Jacksonville.  It takes a determined biker to ride in this summer's heat and rain.  Result: the customers and employees of these new enterprises will push parking further into the residential areas and impact negatively on all the surrounding businesses. 

Until we have working mass transit it is unwise for the city to permit further exceptions to the parking requirements.

Instead of pounding a square peg in a round hole as Black Sheep is trying to do, why not look at alternate sites in the area.   Restore an historic building for example.
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[outofhere]

Although I like the idea of the design. I really need to understand this bldg in relation to Mossfire. This bldg looks out of scale with the rest of the block. And although we see one side clearly I wonder what is on the other 2 sides of the triangular bldg.

[tayana42]

Mr. Stephen Dare,
I respect your opinions and I agree that we do build for cars and very much want that to change.  But until we have alternative transportation that works for most people, why not take the position that perhaps the better motto would be "Stop Building".  Why must the neighborhood residents and nearby businesses suffer from "parking overload" simply because the developer demands that the city waive the requirements for parking?

Why not direct your displeasure at the JTA and demand better mass transit for example.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

It's really unfortunate that 5-points is in this position.  The solution that I would like to see is for all vehicular traffic in 5-points to be suspended from say 8 pm to 3 am Thurs - Sat, and really make this area a destination and not a thoroughfare.  Wendy's drive-thru (among other things) makes that unfeasible as does the general ire drawn of people when you tell them they can't park directly in front of their destination.  It's seems to be quite the dichotomy of the neighborhood, isn't it?  We want new things close by so we can walk there, but we still want to be able to park our cars right out front.  This lack of willingness to change is probably one of the reasons no one has tried to infill that parking lot empty space.  Why do 'they' have to provide alternative transportation when I can think of 2 bike shops on park that can provide 'you' your own.  I know Florida is stifling hot and muggy and rainy, but we still have no problem sitting on the patio with a drink and a smoke.  No one's asking you to ride the Tour de France, just a few miles (depending on where you live)

[grimss]

RAP has just posted a detailed assessment of this project at www.riversideavondale.org/index.php?id=121. Largely positive about the modern design, less so about the mass and scale.