Questions about bigotry.

[Tripoli1711]

Alright, I give up.  The victim card has been played and it won't be taken off the table.  The blanket assertion of "you people", which of course means all Christians not having any idea what their own religion teaches is totally cool.  My taking umbrage with it somehow means that I am some detestable person attempting to persecute all homosexuals simply for being homosexual.  Nevermind the things I have actually said.. I am damning the whole lot of you just for defending my own personal faith. 

I swear I used to read some of these threads and look at people talk about how they had given up trying to deal with you guys when you get this way and were leaving the board altogether and think "how silly", but I see where they were coming from now.  One cannot say anything that is not a regurgitation of your own philosophy without somehow making a person attack on you and your lifestyle or beliefs.  It's totally bogus, at least concerning me.  But once you decree that I clearly have hate in my heart its now an accepted and irrefutable fact.  Judge, Jury and Moral Executioner you are.  That's fine but I now agree it is entirely pointless to try to discuss.

It's simply quite absurd that you get to make blanket assertions that a Christian- who means you no ill will and has said over and over again in the last couple hours that you should be allowed to enter into a civil marriage with all the same rights and benefits as a heterosexual- doesn't know what the hell he's talking about regarding his own faith.  Then when that person gets upset at that statement, simply attempt to paint him as an intolerant ass who further doesn't understand his faith, because Jesus didn't like intolerant asses, and then when I call you on how simply absurd that series of events is.. you tell me that I was doing it to you first. 

Amazing and impossible to reason with and now I have finally learned better than to try. 

[Shwaz]

This thread is getting hot!

Stephen, what makes it equal? Should churches of every denomination set aside their beliefs and marry gay couples to be truly fair?

You can go to the courthouse, city hall, or any notary or justice of the peace to get married. And many do.

You don't need any church at all.

Marriage is a legal transferrence of rights, not just a ceremony. Denying rights to others based on nothing more than your personal religious beliefs is rather bigoted, not to mention ethically incorrect.

And that's what both Trip & NN have stated over & over & over that they have no problem with that... even in a church that will perform a gay marriage. I think the only thing they are against is mandating all churches to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

absolutely not.  It would be my personal hope that their congregations and scholars come to the right conclusions, but people have the right to believe and divide themselves into groups if they wish.

I would also think that since Fundamentalists, Catholics and Evangelicals seem to be primarily created to serve as employment agencies for gay men, that they would allow them to marry each other instead of condemning their entire work force to randomly groping children.

It sounds like you have more issues with the church than the counter opinions offered in this thread.

[ChriswUfGator]

Wow...this thing exploded entertainingly...

Go figure. It's not about rights. It's not about people. It's about hatred of religion, pure and simple. Glad that much got ironed out quickly.

Ah, the forces of tolerance at work again...

Actually it's about religious groups' hatred of others, not vice versa.

Again, the whole "If I accuse you of doing what I'm already doing before you have a chance to point out I'm doing it, then I'm off the hook" thing doesn't work. Seriously, you guys need a new strategy, this is getting to be a one-trick pony...

[NotNow]

I think that we can all agree that "groping children" is a crime, can we not?  And rather than discussing the sexual activities of what I hope are just a few Priests how about a reasoned answer to the three beliefs that I posted earlier...Chris.  That post was directed at you, since you felt the need to call me a bigot as well as the resident name caller.

[finehoe]

I think the only thing they are against is mandating all churches to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

And since nobody anywhere has ever proposed that, what is the issue here?

[ChriswUfGator]

I think the only thing they are against is mandating all churches to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

And since nobody anywhere has ever proposed that, what is the issue here?

Distraction is always "Plan B" in these arguments. Don't take the bait. That isn't the issue, and never was.

[finehoe]

This thread is getting hot!

Stephen, what makes it equal? Should churches of every denomination set aside their beliefs and marry gay couples to be truly fair?

Some people don't seem to understand the difference between civil marriage and religious marriage.  We are all citizens.  Only some of us follow certain faiths.

[Clem1029]

I think the only thing they are against is mandating all churches to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

And since nobody anywhere has ever proposed that, what is the issue here?

Distraction is always "Plan B" in these arguments. Don't take the bait. That isn't the issue, and never was.

Yeah, no one ever even implied that, right?

Have you not read the thread?  We called for completely equal treatment of ALL citizens by the state.  We called for marriage to be handled by the churches.  Your church can marry you to  whoever you want.  If they won't, go to one that you philosophically agree with.  How is that wrong?

because it doesnt exist.

When slaves had the 'right' to 'breed', it wasnt the same thing as having family rights you know.  But its pointless to argue with you, I think.. It seems like the only thing you are interested in doing is figuring out a way to still feel the same way but not be criticised for it.

Who's distracting who?

It'd be so much more interesting debating with y'all if you were actually honest about your tactics and dropped the projection.

[ChriswUfGator]

I think the only thing they are against is mandating all churches to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

And since nobody anywhere has ever proposed that, what is the issue here?

Distraction is always "Plan B" in these arguments. Don't take the bait. That isn't the issue, and never was.

Yeah, no one ever even implied that, right?

Have you not read the thread?  We called for completely equal treatment of ALL citizens by the state.  We called for marriage to be handled by the churches.  Your church can marry you to  whoever you want.  If they won't, go to one that you philosophically agree with.  How is that wrong?

because it doesnt exist.

When slaves had the 'right' to 'breed', it wasnt the same thing as having family rights you know.  But its pointless to argue with you, I think.. It seems like the only thing you are interested in doing is figuring out a way to still feel the same way but not be criticised for it.

Who's distracting who?

It'd be so much more interesting debating with y'all if you were actually honest about your tactics and dropped the projection.

We're honest. It's hardly our fault you keep dodging the only real question that's been asked.

Instead, you create arguments where there are none. Smoke & mirrors.

[ChriswUfGator]

And Clem, just so there's no misunderstanding, I never wuss out of a debate. But it's time for me to head out to go do some (much more fun) things that you'd no doubt have be illegal if you had your way. I'll spare you the details.

Chat at you people later.

[NotNow]

I am just amazed.  Thank God I know normal gay people or I would be really scared that this represented a common point of view.  It has been since high school since I have seen so many people that thought sixteen letter words and BS made a valid argument.

[finehoe]

Thank God I know normal gay people or I would be really scared that this represented a common point of view. 

What makes you think any of us are gay?  I've never stated my sexual orientation on MJ.

[NotNow]

What makes you think I was talking about you?

[buckethead]

Oh, my goodness! Leave the room for a minute and it looks like a hurricane hit!


YOU KIDS GET THIS PLACE CLEANED UP!

[Sportmotor]

So can a rainbow licking homotesticle be a christan?