First Coast Tax Day Tea Party

[BridgeTroll]

I see that your own quotes on the spelling errors of the libruls have been erased,

I have erased nothing... Have you?

[JC]

I think I like seeing the misspelled signs because of their silly juxtaposition with the seriousness of their position.  Its an interesting contrast and it makes me laugh!

[Tripoli1711]

The sign spelling "jokes", to put that term as loosely as possible, are really getting rather annoying.  I understand the disagreement with the message, but to continually deride these people reflects rather poorly on yourselves.  They are citizens of this country just like you are.  They are concerned about their nation, just as I am sure you are.  They have at least taken enough time out of their lives to turn off the TV, make a crude sign and try to get involved.  That's a heck of a lot more than can be said for most.  You can totally disagree with their message and you can believe their being misguided is a result of their being uninformed or incapable of grasping the issues.  To paint the tea parties in that light I also believe to be enormously broad and untrue, but even that would not motivate me to post this.

But the transparent holier than thou patting yourself on the back you engage in by relentlessly making fun of these people annoys me and makes me less inclined to value anything else you have to say.  Sorry, but I had to say it.

[Sportmotor]

I will be in attendance with a few well placed but poorly spelled and conjugated signs to help perpetuate the myth.

I'm here to help, folks.

Progressivism is safe in my hands!

So will I!

maybe

[JC]

The sign spelling "jokes", to put that term as loosely as possible, are really getting rather annoying.  I understand the disagreement with the message, but to continually deride these people reflects rather poorly on yourselves.  They are citizens of this country just like you are.  They are concerned about their nation, just as I am sure you are.  They have at least taken enough time out of their lives to turn off the TV, make a crude sign and try to get involved.  That's a heck of a lot more than can be said for most.  You can totally disagree with their message and you can believe their being misguided is a result of their being uninformed or incapable of grasping the issues.  To paint the tea parties in that light I also believe to be enormously broad and untrue, but even that would not motivate me to post this.

But the transparent holier than thou patting yourself on the back you engage in by relentlessly making fun of these people annoys me and makes me less inclined to value anything else you have to say.  Sorry, but I had to say it.

If you are not yet putting less value on what I have to say, here is some food for thought.

Many, many, many of these people who engage in the Tea Parties are doing so out of fear, which leads to anger all brought forth by propaganda filled with lies and half truths.  Now, if you don't see a problem with that you should look back through history and you can see examples of other movements built from fear, anger and propaganda.  A misinformed, scared, angry mob is potentially dangerous and is extremely unpredictable.  

Oddly, I agree with a lot they have to say, being a half liberal, half libertarian(ish) person.  But if someone holds a sign calling Obama a socialist, or a Nazi, they are fair game in my book.  So whatever, be annoyed and don't value anything else I have to say.  But seriously, how difficult is it to spell check your sign before you write it?  My spelling is honestly not all that great either, but my little web browser tells me when I have spelled something wrong, and, as to not allow my misspelled words to act as a distraction from my argument, I make damn sure I fix them!

[BridgeTroll]

Many, many, many of these people who engage in the Tea Parties are doing so out of fear, which leads to anger all brought forth by propaganda filled with lies and half truths.

They must be proud... being the only group to ever be possibly influenced by such tripe!!

But if someone holds a sign calling Obama Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or... etc etc etc...a socialist, or a Nazi, they are fair game in my book.

Cmon JC... do you hear yourself?

[JC]

Many, many, many of these people who engage in the Tea Parties are doing so out of fear, which leads to anger all brought forth by propaganda filled with lies and half truths.

They must be proud... being the only group to ever be possibly influenced by such tripe!!

But if someone holds a sign calling Obama Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or... etc etc etc...a socialist, or a Nazi, they are fair game in my book.

Cmon JC... do you hear yourself?

Engaging in this will only lead to a spiraling argument that will not ever end.  Clearly we see things differently, although I cant remember ever seeing anyone call anyone in the BA a socialist I can say I dont approve of calling them Nazis.  These labels create false arguments and are a distraction from the actual debates on topics  like; the illegal wars, trampling habeas corpus,  war profiteering and so on.  On the other hand, legitimate arguments can be made about Obama carrying on Bush era spying, prisons, wars, forcing people to pay for health insurance and so forth.  But calling someone a Nazi is just childish, because it is a complete departure from any discussion with substance because to discuss with that individual you must first convince them that said individual is not Nazi and who wants to start an argument on such a stupid premise?  I would also like someone to explain to me how Obama is a socialist, seriously, I will start another thread because I want to know.

[Tripoli1711]

Stephen-

I never made such comments because I wasn't around at the time and/or I wouldn't choose to disagree with a position in that fashion.  In any event, if it is comeuppance for those previous posters I believe there is a better way to call them out on their hypocrisy than constant condescension aimed at people who may deserve no comeuppance...

[JC]

I do think these people are uneducated boobs with seditious tendencies. 

I fear those same individuals who are accusing others of sedition are guilty themselves, given the ambiguity surrounding the word and the genuine arguments around who the constitution is supposed to protect. 

[JC]

I do think these people are uneducated boobs with seditious tendencies. 

I fear those same individuals who are accusing others of sedition are guilty themselves, given the ambiguity surrounding the word and the genuine arguments around who the constitution is supposed to protect. 

Do you think I am seditious, JC?

No, because I feel that sedition is a tool used by authority to quell dissent.  I have no authority for you to question so I have no reason to accuse you of sedition.  I was aiming my comment at those in the media and elected officials.

[JC]

Pop Quiz.  Did your Taxes go up or down this year?

Yes, misinformed and misguided!

[BridgeTroll]

Engaging in this will only lead to a spiraling argument that will not ever end.  Clearly we see things differently, although I cant remember ever seeing anyone call anyone in the BA a socialist I can say I dont approve of calling them Nazis.  These labels create false arguments and are a distraction from the actual debates on topics  like; the illegal wars, trampling habeas corpus,  war profiteering and so on.  On the other hand, legitimate arguments can be made about Obama carrying on Bush era spying, prisons, wars, forcing people to pay for health insurance and so forth.  But calling someone a Nazi is just childish, because it is a complete departure from any discussion with substance because to discuss with that individual you must first convince them that said individual is not Nazi and who wants to start an argument on such a stupid premise?  I would also like someone to explain to me how Obama is a socialist, seriously, I will start another thread because I want to know.

I agree JC.  My point... and the point of others here... is that while this particular group is the one holding mis spelled signs and calling the current president names... we only have to go back but a few years to see other groups doing the same.  Discounting, ignoring or deriding them was a mistake in the past and it is true now.

Stephen thinks it is fair to say that "a large number of them are racist and racistly motivated."  While I am sure that some of them are... I do not think his statement is true.  Stephen thinks most are "jackasses"... probably not true either.  They are definitely from another spectrum of politics than he adheres to but that certainly does not make them racist, jackasses, nor serial mis-spellers.

They are every day middle class folk who are concerned about the direction of their country.

Let me say again... I do not identify with, nor participate in, the Tea Party movement.  They do however need to be heard and their concerns addressed... from both republicans and democrats.

[JC]

Engaging in this will only lead to a spiraling argument that will not ever end.  Clearly we see things differently, although I cant remember ever seeing anyone call anyone in the BA a socialist I can say I dont approve of calling them Nazis.  These labels create false arguments and are a distraction from the actual debates on topics  like; the illegal wars, trampling habeas corpus,  war profiteering and so on.  On the other hand, legitimate arguments can be made about Obama carrying on Bush era spying, prisons, wars, forcing people to pay for health insurance and so forth.  But calling someone a Nazi is just childish, because it is a complete departure from any discussion with substance because to discuss with that individual you must first convince them that said individual is not Nazi and who wants to start an argument on such a stupid premise?  I would also like someone to explain to me how Obama is a socialist, seriously, I will start another thread because I want to know.

I agree JC.  My point... and the point of others here... is that while this particular group is the one holding mis spelled signs and calling the current president names... we only have to go back but a few years to see other groups doing the same.  Discounting, ignoring or deriding them was a mistake in the past and it is true now.

Stephen thinks it is fair to say that "a large number of them are racist and racistly motivated."  While I am sure that some of them are... I do not think his statement is true.  Stephen thinks most are "jackasses"... probably not true either.  They are definitely from another spectrum of politics than he adheres to but that certainly does not make them racist, jackasses, nor serial mis-spellers.

They are every day middle class folk who are concerned about the direction of their country.

Let me say again... I do not identify with, nor participate in, the Tea Party movement.  They do however need to be heard and their concerns addressed... from both republicans and democrats.

I think a lot of them are racially motivated.  I spent 10 years working construction in Jacksonville and had never heard so much racism before.  The thing is that many of these people are smart enough to know that their ideas are not publicly acceptable so they don't voice their racist ideas and they claim they aren't, I guess that would be closet racism?

[BridgeTroll]

I spent 10 years working construction in Jacksonville and had never heard so much racism before.

No doubt... I think you would agree that the statement... "Most construction workers in Jacksonville are racist" would be an unfair characterization of an entire group of people.

[JC]

I spent 10 years working construction in Jacksonville and had never heard so much racism before.

No doubt... I think you would agree that the statement... "Most construction workers in Jacksonville are racist" would be an unfair characterization of an entire group of people.

Most of the construction workers I have worked with are racist.  Outside my experience, I really cant say.  Maybe I have a low threshold for what I think a racist is but whatever, its a moot point.