Is Springfield Ready for a Car Wash?

[ChriswUfGator]

So all these different people just randomly called in a pile of COJ complaints, all within a half hour of each other, out of nothing but pure coincidence, right? 

[Dan B]

Did you ever think they were... GASP* friends?

[ChriswUfGator]

I am still confused! Mr Jones got an exemption several years ago, now that exemption is not any good because SPAR now takes exception to the exemption which the COJ had allready granted..........something smells badly!

No SPAR conspiracy. It's plainly stated in the law.

Sec. 656.136.  Procedures for decisions on exceptions, variances, waivers, and appeals.
(c)   A zoning exception, variance or waiver shall be transferable and run with the land, except as hereinafter specifically provided, unless the decision-making body specifically makes the exception personal to the applicant or another individual, and the use shall be commenced within a period of one year from the effective date of the final order granting it. When the use requires licensure or other approvals by the State or any other governmental entity, such as a liquor license approval or approval for day care facilities, the zoning exception, variance or waiver granted in connection with such use shall not be transferable and shall be granted to the applicant or the State license holder.
(d)   The time within which the zoning exception, variance or waiver shall be commenced may be extended by the decision-making body for a period of time longer than one year. Failure to exercise the zoning exception, variance or waiver by commencement of the use or action approved within one year or such longer time as adopted by the decision-making body, as the case may be, shall render the exception, variance or waiver invalid and all rights arising thereunder shall terminate. Transfer of the property by the applicant where the zoning exception, variance or waiver is made nontransferable, shall terminate the exception, variance or waiver.

To be fair here, there are several exceptions to the operation of this type of ordincances, and one covers periods under which the property is undergoing construction intended to enable the property to function according to the use intended by the variance or exception.

But the real issue in figuring this out is that we have no idea what the terms of Silas Jones' original 1995 exception and certificate of appropriateness were. It could have provided that the exception ran with the property, regardless of continous use, or not. It could have given him a period to get up and running, or not. It should be public record, but I am not sure if you can access that online.

We also don't know whether he ever renewed the original 1995 exception or COA, or whether the terms of that zoning approval even required him to do so. It could very well be that he has arguments he doesn't know he has. I'd like to see the language of the original 1995 exception and COA.

[uptowngirl]

This morning I took the laundry out of the dryer, I folded everything, but was left with one sock! I never had this happen to me before, and I think I know why.... there are four people in Springfield (names withheld) that have it in for me for no good reason, I have nor my sock have done anything to them! It is so unfair! I know resident #1 called resident #2 who then called residents #3 and #4 who called an innocent resident #5 and told them I had actually broken the rules by having a pair of red socks and that if I could not be removed from the neighborhood, at least my red socks should be. Resident #5 logged a complaint on COJ.net and all of a sudden a code enforcement officer snuck into my laundry room and took one of my red socks. I know this because he left behind a notice for me to remove the remaining red sock before 2/10/10 or face further fines!

[Dan B]

Did you ever think they were... GASP* friends?

Ah.  so the small little group of friends came to a decision, executed their plans (apparently without even bothering to tell the board members like nverenuf) and made a decision for the whole neighborhood?  Awesome!

I think this is exactly the point.

AS they were the only ones who called, YES.

[ChriswUfGator]

Did you ever think they were... GASP* friends?

Ummmm...yeah, I did, since that's been my whole point all along. This little group of people gets together with their ringleader and (whether they be well-intentioned or not), do things that often wind up being shortsighted, not to mention completely contrary to the missions of the organizations they control and/or participate in. These code-enforcement call-ins, and behind-the-scenes meddling with people's zoning applications needs to stop. None of them even live at the carwash! All the neighbors who ACTUALLY live next to the thing in fact SUPPORT it.

So I don't get why anyone would even have an issue with it to begin with, except its actual neighbors, who are in favor of it. But like I said, this little group decides they don't want a carwash, so by god we won't have a carwash. But at least you have acknowledged that they obviously get together and do these group call-ins, FSU still thinks I'm being all 'conspiracy theory' abouit that even though it's plain as day what's going on.

[nvrenuf]

Did you ever think they were... GASP* friends?

Ah.  so the small little group of friends came to a decision, executed their plans (apparently without even bothering to tell the board members like nverenuf) and made a decision for the whole neighborhood?  Awesome!

I think this is exactly the point.

Yes, they executed their plan (this dastardly group of friends of Susan & Frank Noonan) to call about something they didn't like. I hate to break it to you but they also didn't contact me on what they made for dinner that night. I'm very upset.

[uptowngirl]

I want my sock back!

[ChriswUfGator]

This morning I took the laundry out of the dryer, I folded everything, but was left with one sock! I never had this happen to me before, and I think I know why.... there are four people in Springfield (names withheld) that have it in for me for no good reason, I have nor my sock have done anything to them! It is so unfair! I know resident #1 called resident #2 who then called residents #3 and #4 who called an innocent resident #5 and told them I had actually broken the rules by having a pair of red socks and that if I could not be removed from the neighborhood, at least my red socks should be. Resident #5 logged a complaint on COJ.net and all of a sudden a code enforcement officer snuck into my laundry room and took one of my red socks. I know this because he left behind a notice for me to remove the remaining red sock before 2/10/10 or face further fines!

Well, apparently accordingly to SPAR, you should write President Obama about it immediately...ROFL!

[nvrenuf]

Hell no, I don't like red socks and you will do my bidding. Only black socks with red crabs would be acceptable. But straight red, absolutely not, except on Thursdays if there is a game at the stadium, and it is above 64 degrees with a slight easterly breeze at dusk. After dusk you have to take them off and burn them. Or soak them in beer and throw them three rows ahead of you.

[ChriswUfGator]

Did you ever think they were... GASP* friends?

Ah.  so the small little group of friends came to a decision, executed their plans (apparently without even bothering to tell the board members like nverenuf) and made a decision for the whole neighborhood?  Awesome!

I think this is exactly the point.

AS they were the only ones who called, YES.

Nah, Dan, they were just the only ones who Silas Jones got names for, because they didn't call in anonymously.

[nvrenuf]

I think the difference Nverenuf is that they call saying that they are representing the neighborhood.

Since they have a title in an organization that has in the past been associated with leadership, this is taken for granted.

But you are claiming that the leadership did something in your name and that you as a board member knew nothing about it?

Well um.  Ok.

Im glad you are all Chill like that.

Well since I didn't have any of those phones tapped at the time such that I know the actual conversation rather than someone's interpretation of it, NO I am not saying an organization spoke on my behalf without me knowing about it. Did they call and say they were members of SPAR, they were SPAR, they've been SPAR, they've seen the SPAR building? WhoTF knows?

I don't make a lot of the assumptions posters on here do. Question everything, trust no one, do not be sheep!

[ChriswUfGator]

I want my sock back!

I'm telling you, write the President ASAP!

I'm sure he'll get right on AirForce One and come down to help you look for your sock...

[nvrenuf]

I think you see my point Nverenduf

Obviously I'm being obtuse because in this case I don't. If this 'we don't like the car wash' was an orchestrated campaign then it was a crappy one. It sounds more like what we have described, especially knowing all the players listed, Susan & Frank called their friends and asked for their support. Those people quickly jumped on the request as it was dire (only 2 days before he planned to open).

I don't agree with how SPAR handles many things but they really are not involved in everything bad or good that happens. And presuming they are would make anyone look foolish.

[nvrenuf]

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