Hogans Creek Park Master Plan

[tufsu1]

They are kindof massive neighbors of the park.  Not building these huge groups of people into planned use of the park would seem short sighted to say the least.

do you know that HDR/PPS didn't involve Shands or FSCJ in the process?

I find it hard to believe that they weren't interviewed and/or made aware of the public meeting.

BTW....a master plan isn't set in stone...having worked on several institutional master plans, I can assure you that they can change drastically over time....and like other big-picture plans in Florida, they get updated every 5-10 years.

[Dan B]

They are kindof massive neighbors of the park.  Not building these huge groups of people into planned use of the park would seem short sighted to say the least.

do you know that HDR/PPS didn't involve Shands or FSCJ in the process?

I find it hard to believe that they weren't interviewed and/or made aware of the public meeting.

BTW....a master plan isn't set in stone...having worked on several institutional master plans, I can assure you that they can change drastically over time....and like other big-picture plans in Florida, they get updated every 5-10 years.

You do have to start somewhere.

[chris farley]

I believe Daryl Joseph wrote a grant for $300,000 to pay for the kids park which goes in with the dog park,  he did this when it was being decided what to do  with the IsTEA which had lain for about many years.

[thelakelander]

So a kid's playground is proposed for the dog park?  When is it expected to be installed?

[fsu813]

"do you know that HDR/PPS didn't involve Shands or FSCJ in the process?

I find it hard to believe that they weren't interviewed and/or made aware of the public meeting."



- They were notifed and invited. I know this for a fact. I believe representatives from both attended....but I can't be sure.

[chris farley]

There always has been a kids playground in that park.  I believe it is to be moved to the other side and enlarged

[thelakelander]

There always has been a kids playground in that park.  I believe it is to be moved to the other side and enlarged

Isn't it one filled with old equipment?  Is it safe to assume that the old stuff will be replaced with a new tot lot when the move takes place?

[Dan B]

The old equipment was removed (it was just a swingset when the dog park was started, and that is now where the small dog area is).

There is a CBD grant that the city applied for that is paying for a playset to go into the area next to the basketball courts. This is something that I personally pushed very hard for. My thought on it was that a nice fenced in play area next to the dog park makes it a true family park. The kids can play on the playground, or play basketball while the 4 legged family members get to play in the dog park.

The activity that has been spurred by the dog park will become greater once there is a playground, and I believe that this equipment will be better taken care of than the equipment that was installed at Liberty and Oakland parks 3 or 4 years ago.

[fsu813]

Clustering the dog park, playground, and basketball court is great, i agree.

Now if we could just get an official passage to & from Confedrate Park to the Dog Park I think it would be complete (ie, prominent gates on the Westside of the dog park & Eastside of Confederate Park, with a nice cross walk in-between, connecting the two by eye & path. The PPS guy thought this was a no brainer too....).

[chris farley]

It is my understanding that the small dog park will be where the old swings were and the new playground,  I think they intend to spend 300,000,  will be where the engineers used to park

[CS Foltz]

Let me see if I have this correctly................several Master Plans by different organizations have already been proposed or generated? Now we have a new Master Plan generated another group and this is the one? About the only thing I see that has been constant is the COJ involvement which makes me wonder just who made what and when the made it! By this I am referring to who was paid and what were they paid. To this point, the only thing that has taken place is more consulting, who I would assume did not do the "Consulting" for free! The timing of this transformation strikes me as somewhat odd also, since the Laura Street enhancements for a measly $2 Million Dollars is about to take place. That makes me wonder if the same investor group has a finger in this pie also! Supposedly COJ is in dire financial straits according to our esteemed Mayor but we have money for unneeded street improvements and consultants and special advisory groups and the money keeps flowing out of City Hall! If they had to pay for all of this out of their pockets, they might have a different tune but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I am for refurbishment of Hogans Creek, saving what Klutho did and organizing that area into something that all can enjoy......but I would like to be able to pay for it! By the way, I hate Eminent Domain to be used for anything.........can't pay market value you don't need it!

[fsu813]

the city won't be paying for Hogans Creek improvments alone. big chuncks of money will be coming from elsewhere.

[sheclown]

the city won't be paying for Hogans Creek improvments alone. big chuncks of money will be coming from elsewhere.

who's footing the bill?

[thelakelander]

Probably a mix of federal and private dollars.

[tufsu1]

By the way, I hate Eminent Domain to be used for anything.........can't pay market value you don't need it!

Eminent Domain requires the government entity "condemning" the property to pay fair market value...part of the reason road projects take so long is that they often involve court/arbitration and usually the property owner makes out quite well.