Springfield Community Meeting - 11/05 @ 7pm

[chris farley]

There was one at the police night out, I manned the table and there were several such clipboards, I do not go to SHADCO

When is the SHARP meeting I would wish to go

[PorchCats]

Doug V., did you circulate a petition against rooming houses at the last Shadco meeting?

For the record, I did not say it was against rooming houses, and don't recall that being specifically mentioned at all. I said it related to code enforcement, and I don't know WHICH code(s) it referred to.

[nvrenuf]

Doug V., did you circulate a petition against rooming houses at the last Shadco meeting?

sheclown, I was at the meeting and one was not circulated.

[sheclown]

thanks for the clarificaton.

[fsu813]

- Springfielder, i didn't say your statement was dishonest because you used the word "barrage". Again, an interesting "interpretation" to say the least. It was dishonest because the only time using code enforcement as a tool was mentioned was when talking about suspected ILLEGAL boarding houses. No legal, grandfathered exisiting ones. That's obviously a big difference.

- Cindi, yes, 5 unrelated people living in a house is completely legal. If they were put there as a tenatnats "low-density" sober house (since official, 6+ version are outlawed) it's legal, while at the same time skirting the sentiment of the law/code when written. Noone has ever denied that to my knowledge. The code was written to prevent the expansion of such houses, obviously not written that well. Noone has ever denied the intent of the code when written. Like i've said before, I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of a techincally legal action that goes agianst the sentiment of the law. (ie, businesses having thier "office" in the islands to avopid paying taxes). If it's legal, it's legalfine. But don't be surprised if the technicality / loophole is addressed.

- Matt M, the "fact-finding" is happening/has happened/ will happen. Just because SPAR does't tell you perosnally that they've written letters, looked up property records, have mulitple sources that a house is a rooming house doesn't mean that they haven't. Those kind of details are best discussed on a 1 on 1 basis. And "observing and documenting anything suspicious" is part of the fact-finding. If there is nothing suspicious or to document, then no action will be taken. If there is, then that can lead to code enforcement checking the place out (ie fact-finding). If a propety isn't an illegal boarding house they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

- soxfan & Matt M, If you honestly think they were trying "trick" people into signing the petition then they wouldn't have put the paragraph explaining the petiton at the of of the page. Like someone said, it didn't exactly relate to the what was being discussed even. They could have been sneaky and placed it somewhere other than the top of the front page (....not the best place to out something they don't want you to read, huh). Or completely lied all together and gotten signatures then typed the petion info on the top afterwards. There are many sneaky ways to go about it, again - placing a paragraph at the top of the front page is not one of them, espcially whejn it's nopt exactly related to the topic.

- Johnny, what brought the issue of rooming houses to the forefront agian is an effort to add more, many more, to the neighborhood. At one point most were out, now they are seeping back in.

- Sheclown, Michael Trautman was being sarcastic when talking about actually walking around video taping & audio recording. As indicated by the laughter after he said it. I suspect you knew this but are trying to gain sympathy. SPARS VP, Kharis, found out some very useful (and rather shocking) information about illegal rooming houses.  I also suspect you would have him rather NOT find out that a 1-800 was being used to place people in illegal boarding houses? And, I bet that you would have preferred him NOT to explain his encounter with the guy who is staying in your Liberty Street house. You disputed his story. Those were both rather eye-opening for many who didn't think this was much of an issue.

[cindi]

Chris has the pulse of this neighborhood and does not believe there was a deliberate attempt to deceive.

really? Says who?? There seems to be a lot of people reading minds around here. She does NOT speak for me or have my pulse.

[chris farley]

Chris has the pulse of this neighborhood and does not believe there was a deliberate attempt to deceive.

really? Says who?? There seems to be a lot of people reading minds around here. She does NOT speak for me or have my pulse.

Not my words or my belief or my desire and I do not wish to be liked by Stephen

When is the SHARP meeting I wish to go

[AlexS]

They circulated a petition at the SHADCO meeting too?

It was actually at the National Night Out. I was there.

[chris farley]

Sorry I called it the police night, I think of it as that

[ChriswUfGator]

Was there any date on this petition that indicated it was from a prior meeting, or just a blank form labeled "PETITION"?

Because personally, I still put the odds of someone 'accidentally' grabbing forms that were a petition against rooming houses, and using them as a sign-in sheet at this meeting, which coincidentally enough was about how we don't want rooming houses, at somewhere around 0.

That's just an awfully coincidental 'mistake', and frankly, claiming that it was 'accidental' just defies all logic, especially given the lengthy history of these type of shenanigans by the same people. And if there was no pre-printed date, it could, and probably would, have been submitted to COJ as new evidence of the neighborhood's opinion on the issue.

[cindi]

- soxfan & Matt M, If you honestly think they were trying "trick" people into signing the petition then they wouldn't have put the paragraph explaining the petiton at the of of the page. Like someone said, it didn't exactly relate to the what was being discussed even. They could have been sneaky and placed it somewhere other than the top of the front page (....not the best place to out something they don't want you to read, huh). Or completely lied all together and gotten signatures then typed the petion info on the top afterwards. There are many sneaky ways to go about it, again - placing a paragraph at the top of the front page is not one of them, espcially whejn it's nopt exactly related to the topic.

wow, so spar is in such financial shambles that they are having to recycle "sign in forms"? for an organization that is so big on crossting t's and dotting i's, that seems a little sloppy.

[cindi]

was there any BBQ last night?  that would have been a nice thing for SPAR to have offered, I might have attended for free BBQ.

you know, actually, if all these poser swami's really knew anything they would know that everything goes better with a deep fried turkey.  i'm voting - scones with bones. 

[Karl_Pilkington]

everything goes better with a deep fried turkey. 

sounds like there may have been a couple of those on the SPAR agenda last night.

[chris farley]

Was there any date on this petition that indicated it was from a prior meeting, or just a blank form labeled "PETITION"?

Because personally, I still put the odds of someone 'accidentally' grabbing forms that were a petition against rooming houses, and using them as a sign-in sheet at this meeting, which coincidentally enough was about how we don't want rooming houses, at somewhere around 0.

That's just an awfully coincidental 'mistake', and frankly, claiming that it was 'accidental' just defies all logic, especially given the lengthy history of these type of shenanigans by the same people. And if there was no pre-printed date, it could, and probably would, have been submitted to COJ as new evidence of the neighborhood's opinion on the issue.

It definitely was from a previous meeting and it was one of about 6 clipboards that was picked up, and the 25 odd signatures from last night have been shredded due to the mistake.  If they wished to submit signatures to FTU they could have done the 100 or so they got on National Night out a long long time ago but they have not.
Also SPAR is recycling other papers and no longer throw away anything with just one side used.  Nothing wrong with that.
But more importantly - whenn is the SHARP meeting I wish to go

Surely there is nothing devious here and it is being kept secret

[ChriswUfGator]

If they wished to submit signatures to FTU they could have done the 100 or so they got on National Night out a long long time ago but they have not.

They collected signatures and didn't submit them? You sure about that? Why would anyone do that?